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I don't understand if this has to be considered an answer to the previous post, it sound more like a reaction

But if

> China is bad because it is a horrific human rights abuser without democratic elections.

What about US where people have SIX times the chances of being shot and killed in the streets?

(1 every 100k VS 6 every 100k)

I mean: safety is a human right, especially in democratic western supposedly civilized countries

To find another country with such bad homicide stats you have to look at undeveloped countries run by criminal cartels or warlords


A bank is not a single entity, it's made of people converging after reaching consensus

There are a lot of banks, with different interests that usually compete with each other and work under regulations that have been discussed and approved after reaching consensus

There are several different central banks, that work together under regulations discussed and approved because they reached consensus

The "decentralised" exchange already exists


That's actually a great idea! I would also abolish votes in general and only sort comments chronologically. users could vote and see the posts/comments ordered by their votes that would not be public

The "first" kind of comments are easy to detect, so I think they wouldn't be a big problem

The chances that a post written later in the game will become one of the most voted because it's really a good comment are close to none anyway

Another interesting feature would be highlight and prioritize content written by users you follow, based on some simple rule like how many votes you gave them before or how many interactions you already had in the past

But downvotes are a prize and a status, you have to reach a certain amount of karma points to be able to downvote something so I guess unfortunately they are here to stay


After hearing about pol.is[0] on HN, I've wondered about a system that allows or even encourages downvotes (with all vote counts hidden), but doesn't penalize content for being downvoted. Then downvoting to disagree becomes okay.

With this kind of system, you could even boost downvoted comments as long as they also receive upvotes, encouraging more diverse discourse. If we want an online space that doesn't become an echo chamber, we need to make it okay to respectfully disagree.

[0]: https://pol.is/home - pol.is uses votes to find common ground between divisive groups


Interesting idea. But, then, I think why not abolish downvotes and just encourage people to reply? Then, you could sort by engagement (i.e. replies and upvotes). The replies could stand in for implied divergence, as there's usually not much reason to continue a long (especially deeper) thread to simply agree.

An exception to that assumption might be if people have unique additional insights that could enrichen a topic, so they're commenting a lot while not necessarily disagreeing. But, such enrichment has notable value in its own right, so is probably worth surfacing as well. Engagement should breed engagement.

>If we want an online space that doesn't become an echo chamber, we need to make it okay to respectfully disagree.

And, that's what it all boils down to. So, the central point is to encourage people to engage and reply with their respectful disagreement vs issue downvotes into a blackbox. The only way to get diverse discourse is to encourage actual discourse. Downvotes are an explicit discouragement of it.


>I would also abolish votes in general and only sort comments chronologically.

Congratulations, you invented Usenet. :)

Back in the day we didn't have voting, we had kill filters. If you didn't like another user, you'd have your reader filter out their messages. There were far fewer kids on my lawn in those days as well.


Back in the days I was there :)

In late 80s I was actively involved in some of the BBS of my city, that also gave access to Usenet, engaging mainly in cyberpunk, science fiction and C programming

Eternal September is still going on


There's a rule 34 in porn, but also a rule 34 in history: if it happened, Romans have already done it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras_(freedman)


Let’s call that one “Rule XXXIV”


Let's call it rule "XXXIIII", to be a little naughty!


I absolutely love this.


I've heard that a lot of the crazy stories about Nero were just propaganda. I'm not certain that this is an example, but it definitely feels like propaganda.


> Nero, covered with skins of wild animals, was let loose from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women bound to stakes

Yikes. Let’s hope they were just stories.


You could say the same thing about the modern stories of Epstein, Qanon, the supposed secret basement in that pizza place etc. Maybe it was just propaganda, or maybe Nero, Caligula and other Roman emperors were a bit sociopathic to say the least and were drawn to more than just abstract political power.


Are you saying Epstein wasn't in the business of pedophilic exploitation involving a number of the global'elite', and that his island wasn't a resort for said activities?

It doesn't seem right to conflate that with Qanon or Pizzagate. It's like comparing critics of a particular Covid-19 policy to flat-earthers.


> It doesn't seem right to conflate that with Qanon or Pizzagate. It's like comparing critics of a particular Covid-19 policy to flat-earthers.

Yes, but the point is that the two cases can be indistinguishable at a distance. We'll probably never know what stories about Roman emperors were at least somewhat factual, and what were just propaganda.


Yes and No.

Nero had a very "peculiar" sexual life, but was also, of course, very powerful, which made him an enemy of the Senate that was very conservative about the image of Roman as soldiers.

So it is possible that the stories were true and they used them to dethrone him and later on the propaganda depicted him as a monster.

There were rumors in history, today believed untrue, that he killed his wife Poppea kicking her in the belly, also killing the baby she was caring.

There are rumors of him killing his mother Agrippina (we don't know if it's true or not).

The story says that Nero after losing the wife married his lover Statilia Messalina, but she was too different from Poppea so he started a search throughout the Empire for a woman looking exactly like his dead wife.

He also decided that the sex of the person wasn't important, so when they found Sporo, Nero castrated him and married him in Greece. Story says Sporo was dressed as an empress, but probably he never wanted that life and the castration was forced upon him.

The marriage with Sporo came after the one with Pitagora, when Nero played the role of the wife.

If all of this is propaganda, Svetonio had a great imagination, or, maybe, as the historians think today, most of it is the truth, romanticized, but mostly true.


>Svetonio had a great imagination

Or maybe he just wrote down some of the craziest rumors? Individually I think I could buy most of them individually, but together they just seem too much. He married a guy after castrating him and also got married to a guy with himself dressed as the bride? I guess I would consider it more believable if they seemed more 'congruent'.


> I would consider it more believable if they seemed more 'congruent'.

Why?

Social norms were very different for regular people, imagine being the emperor, especially Nero, whose family history make GOT look like a family camping...

Another example is Elagabalus, who is considered the first example of a transgender emperor in history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus

In ancient times homosexuality wasn't a problem at all.

Just look at Greek history


Except for technology ruining it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disas...

The argument for some ship disaster is not analogous either.


Relevance. if the search results has less relevance and historical data has lower importance compared to spikes in interest at the moment of the search, it's worse

For example medical related searches right now prioritize covid related results, they are important _now_, but they are less important than general statistical data

A general purpose search engine shouldn't be about what social networks talk more about


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Any brand wants potential customers

And social networks have hundreds of millions of them

Do you think Coca Cola cares if KKK members drink it and bottles of Coke are shown in pictures of their rallies?

Brand awareness is more important to them

Starbucks cups with name spelled wrong are the perfect example: people think they are funny and post the picture of the cup with the Starbucks logo making the brand more popular

So what seem an honest mistake is actually a well thought brand awareness campaign


You're right, Coca Cola does not care if KKK members drink their product; a sale is a sale.

They most certainly do care about being seen to be actively targeting the KKK audience.



There is no way that something that is not enforceable will succeed though.

Plus forgiveness works only on then forgiver side, nothing stop others to keep doing what they are doing after you forgave them.

I would argue that the main reason we get along is laws, not forgiveness.

Any society has written (laws) and unwritten (social rules) norms that regulate the interactions between members.

People don't yell in public, usually, because they've been taught it's wrong and people, generally, tend to respect what they've been taught on certain degrees, especially when it is easy to verify those teachings: nobody yells in public, those who do are reprimanded, it must really be a wrong thing to do.

If you forgive someone yelling at kids because their basketball ended up in their garden you could feel better, but are enabling bad behaviour that should be challenged instead.


> If you forgive someone yelling at kids because their basketball ended up in their garden you could feel better, but are enabling bad behaviour that should be challenged instead.

In the proposed solution of the article one would only forgive if the offending person did apologize. Probably after getting challenged or called out for what they posted.

So the comparison would be more that someone yelled at the kids, was called out for it and then apologized for their bad behaviour. Then they get forgiveness from the person calling them out.


> Plus forgiveness works only on then forgiver side, nothing stop others to keep doing what they are doing after you forgave them.

This is the case outside of social media too. It's why forgiveness requires courage and sincerity, and not a little strength.


> People don't yell in public, usually

How do I know you're certainly not from Southern Europe?)


I guess the original poster is Italian...

Maybe it's about stereotypes still very strong against southern Europeans?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23718933


I'm south European myself and spent months cycling the whole thing, out of love. It's a joke, hence the ) at the end.


Unfortunately for you I am exactly from southern Europe, from Rome in Italy to be precise.

I think you should visit here, I would show you how much noise people from other countries make, especially Americans.

I'm sure you made it as a joke and I don't mind it, but this stereotypes must stop, for a simple reason: there is more to Europe than jokes about southerners.

We simply spend more time outside in the open because the weather is usually better, but any country has its weirdos, sometimes public is a park or an open market, sometimes it's a pub.

Swedes scream from their windows at night

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogsta

Finns sweat a lot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_profanity

Danish leave their kids outside in the strollers in the cold while they are inside a caffè or buying groceries

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21537988

Germans wear sandals with socks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socks_and_sandals

English are dunk and violent

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/88/9/10-010910/en/

French are rude and the fact that they try to hide it behind "other people don't understand us" makes it even more obvious. Ironically they think the anglofones are the loud ones and I mostly agree on this with them.

And, of course, Americans are obese

https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2019/11/share-of-adults-d...


Anche io, era una battuta - saluti!


Pure io e ha un po' rotto le palle che davanti agli americani che si sparano per cazzate noi continuiamo a fare la parte della scimmietta simpatica che strilla per le strade

Sono molto peggio di noi


I've seen it, several times, and I am both an Jodorowski's huge fan and an avid reader of the books

I'm a dreamer and I really hope that Villeneuve's Dune will bring some of those what ifs to life

Knowing that Jodorowski's work gave us Alien as we know it it's a gift nonetheless


Even though it went through different restoration processes, the original is still the original

Much like the Amphitheatre Nimes is not closer to the original Colosseum, even though it suffered much less damages over the centuries and had virtually no visible restoration (some of the Colosseum ones are quite bad honestly)

The last supper importance is not just the painting itself, but also who originally made it and the history behind it.


I don't see the argument as the second painting is the original, just that it more closely resembles what they original may have looked like. There are some recent art restorations which exemplify how much the art can change. Both pieces together add to the story.


I think that "it's not the original since 1550" it's an overstatement

The copy was made at roughly the same time of the original, so it is a great reference for how it should look, but the techniques used for the original Last supper are so different that they are very different in terms of its importance and the difficulties to preserve it and the fact that Leonardo made it explain why the original suffered more damages throughout history (it was simply more famous)

Like the Amphitheatre of El Jem, that was used to film The Galdiator, and the original Colosseum.

We're lucky we have an almost exact copy to look at, that's for sure.


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