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Fallout 4 (bethsoft.com)
43 points by jmcmahon443 on June 3, 2015 | hide | past | favorite | 40 comments



Meta comment: I really dislike that this is on my HN frontpage.

If you're sharing/upvoting this because you think the web design is cool (or in this case, decidedely awful), then that's cool with me. This site is god awful. It required me to unblacklist 6 domains to merely load, and that's especially terrible because it ended up becoming just a wrapper for a youtube video. I wish web designers would stop assuming I want to run their javascript. Clearly there's some HN-relevant discussion to be had from this post.

I will say that if you're sharing it as an example of a terrible or great site, I wish that posters would indicate it in the title or in a comment. Because as it stands right now, my gut reaction is that was shared because you're a fan of the video game, and that makes it advertising. Now, I don't mind people advertising their own things on HN, I love to see what people are making. What I don't enjoy is seeing people plug multi-million dollar funded AAA games.

Probably the biggest reason I don't visit reddit anymore is because there is far too much native advertising. It makes me weary of give anyone the benefit of the doubt.


If there was a post on the front page titled "Sublime Text 4", not submitted by the creator, would you still be upset? I'm sure a good portion of the HN community are fans of the Fallout series and/or are anticipating Fallout 4. There's nothing wrong with discussing things we enjoy, but aren't made by us.

The website does suck, though. Autplaying video, it doesn't load with uBlock enabled, and there's really no point to it, it's just a glorified youtube link.


The only way that I can ever summarise Hacker News to people is "a collection of things that are interesting to technology people". That is the (intended) effect of the voting system (assuming you're happy with the sweeping categorisation of the people on here as technology people).

Some of us like to hear about Interesting new science Attempts to land a rocket on a floating launch pad New releases of a bit of open source software New releases of closed source software (you might not like Windows, but a new release is still significant). etc.

Why not information on a new release of a computer game[1]? Lots of people on here use (play) them? Why is that materially different than a new release of an OS? My mentality with upvoting things isn't "plugging something", it's "this is interesting, you should all see this".

It's not advertising, it's like minded people communicating information of interest to them, in exactly the same way that you might be chatting to someone at the watercooler and ask them if they saw that Fallout 4 was going to be released.

[1] Obviously that would fit in the 'new releases of closed source software" anyway


>> If you're sharing/upvoting this because you think the web design is cool (or in this case, decidedely awful), then that's cool with me.

I think it's safe to assume that people are sharing it and upvoting it because they are Fallout fans who have been waiting for some word on the 4th title in the series. The website is sorta... well absolutely... not the point. I guess we all can't wait for the chance to open thousands of containers full of useless loot. I know I can't!


> It required me to unblacklist 6 domains to merely load

I'm getting sick of it too. If I go to a site that doesn't show ANYTHING without javascript being enabled, I just browse back. If I have to turn on a bunch of scripts to press a button, enabling them for sites that don't have anything to do with the main site, I just browse back.

Ya, no one cares, but their content just isn't that important to do any work for it anyway.


> I wish that posters would indicate it in the title or in a comment.

A search for the username provide the context in seconds.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9652604

> I really dislike that this is on my HN frontpage.

"Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site."

> Probably the biggest reason I don't visit reddit anymore is because there is far too much native advertising.

Welcome, but please keep in mind the guidelines and take a few minutes to fact check yourself before making assumptions, and you'll do fine here.


If you feel this link is inappropriate you can click the "flag" button. It helps a lot in managing what should be on the front page and what shouldn't be.


You will either love or hate http://skimfeed.com.

No ads, fast loading, and nothing to blacklist.


The flood of negativity in this post made me sad for a bit, then I thought of kittens, and I was happy again


All I can see is the gear turning around, nothing else happens.

It is not fair to present a site in such a premature test stage to the public and title it ironically as "really well". This site will be certainly really good after some professional designers will have worked on that prototype, so why exposing it while still in this early state?


I have a browser add-on which forces everything over SSL where possible, and it breaks some websites, including this one.

Incognito mode works for me.


Could you or someone provide a screenshot? I can't get the website to load.


Here is a direct link to the trailer[0] and the preorder page[1]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2BkLqMef4

[1] http://fallout4.com/


Ghostery caused the same problem for me. Pausing it fixed the problem.

Others have said ad blockers do the same for them.


uBlock broke it for me. Disabling that, when I clicked continue I ended up at the null site like others.

Not entirely sure what we're supposed to be looking at.


same goes for me. Even when I've disable the adblock, it just redirect me to the /null page.


I hope the game itself is good. I enjoyed 3 and New Vegas, and I'll probably pick this up on or near launch.

The thing that's bothered me with Bethesda Softwork's games is that they are stubbornly single thread CPU bound, and don't scale beyond 2 cores that well. Perhaps the newer consoles will force them to multithread better.


Why do you care whether the game uses more than one core. You'd need a truly ancient CPU for the game to demand more compute than a single core provides.


I expect that using a better GPU will improve framerates. There's not much improvement that can be had with a CPU bound game when you're using a high end CPU to begin with. Next year's GPUs will be much faster comparatively to today's, then next year's CPUs.


That and they still have thousands of unfixed bugs years after release, including crashes and save game corruption.

Bethesda are good at creating open worlds, but technically the games have been mostly subpar.



I was impressed by the quality of the Fallout website that is up now as a teaser. I will include a permanent link to it eventually.

You can see how clean the code is. They are clearly using a precompiler to group their js and css.

This is how I think your website should look - in terms of code.


I assumed the OP was sarcastic, but here I can't tell. The Fallout site, last I checked, had 17,000 lines of javascript code. It might be the worst written site I've ever seen.


Hm when I click on Continue it takes me to - http://fallout.bethsoft.com/null

Maybe still a couple of bugs!


Yeah, probably should be going to http://fallout4.com/


Their use of a preloader seems like an unpleasant throwback to the days of full-screen pages written in Flash...


Is that strange? Flash is out, HTML5 replaces it; you'll need the same amount of code (and assets) to get the same result as with Flash. I don't think there was anything specific to Flash that made it that much bigger than the same thing in modern web technologies.


There is no way to easily change the (location based) automatically selected language. Right, I might be in Spain right now, but I want the english trailer...


I hope it's meant ironic. It's just a movie and a link pointing to a non existing page which contains an image...


The Vault jumpsuit doesn't look saggy. The number one thing that prevented me from playing Fallout 3. Hooray!


One wonders if it's going to be idTech5, or if it's going to be the final gasps of the Gamebryo engine.


I doubt it. John Carmack said[0]:

> "The megatexture direction [in id Tech 5] has some big wins, but it's also fairly restrictive on certain types of games," he said. "It would be a completely unacceptable engine to do [Bethesda's Elder Scrolls V:] Skyrim in, where you've got the whole world, walking across these huge areas."

[0]: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35125/E3_ids_Carmack_Will...

Granted, Elder Scrolls and Fallout are very different, but they aren't something that id would have done.


I'd assume they're using the Creation engine they built for Skyrim.


looks like idtech in the vid. Hope they have kept working on it since rage. I'd perhaps argue even that idtech 5 is behind the times compared to things like unreal 4.


Looks a lot like the Creation Engine from Skyrim to me. It looks good, but not as much of a leap graphically as I maybe expected given the shift in console generations. Hopefully that means they've concentrated their efforts on improving other areas like physics and quests.


Well, from a tech standpoint, id pretty much rolled their own whenever given the chance--Epic was more than happy just to buy middleware and slap it onto their tech.

There's also a different focus: Epic put a lot of work into making their engine accessible and well-tooled to other parties (though at times it didn't seem like it). Id? Not so much.


Ack, having an auto-play video does not make for a good website in my opinion!


That website is really well made indeed, but it does break the back button.


I sure hope the dog is playable!


Ok, since HN is turning into Reddit:

Fallout 2 > Fallout 3

:)




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