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Many men advocate for an equitable household.

But the stats are clear. Women still perform substantially more labor at home than men do across the US population.



[citation needed]?

A very cursory Google of this nets me a Pew study; the stat we're looking for is:

> fathers’ overall work time (including unpaid work at home) is actually two hours more than that of mothers.

> Women still perform substantially more labor at home than men do across the US population.

This is a different claim. (A household could be equitable — both partners performing roughly the same amount of work —, even if the amount of at home labor is performed more by one person. I.e., the traditional arrangement. The question of whether the traditional arrangement is equitable is fair, and that's why I link the Pew study, seems about as close as I'm going to get.)

[1]: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/03/14/chapter...


IMHO, many of the traditional unpaid labor tasks go towards maintaining the home (repairs, landscaping, car repairs, etc)z

In 2025, some of that labor is recaptured by the man, as that improves the value of the family home or cars.

Also, if your family chooses to rent (which seems to be a trend now for millennials), the man doesn’t have a lawn to cut or a car to fix.


Almost all the traditional male tasks got automated or delegated away for your 30 yo male. Live in an apartment, no maintenance take the car to a mechanic if it even breaks anymore, all that’s left is work and earn money.


Important to remember many traditionally female tasks were also automated and simplified - washing machines, fridges, air fryers, dishwashers etc all reduce the time spent on those “inside the home” tasks.


yeah, so instead of stepping up around the house with this extra 'free time', they either worker longer hours at their job or relax watching tv/sports/games.


The stats are rigged and biased by not counting the types of work men do, and if they did count it they wouldn’t reach the “right” conclusions so wouldn’t be published.

This is written about quite a bit.


Similar to how we talk about the Wage Gap but not the Death Gap, ie, that men do an order of magnitude more dying in the workplace.


And after. Women live on average 3 years longer than men, at least in the U.K.

In theory male retirement age should thus be 3 years lower, but until very recently in the U.K. female retirement age was 5 years lower, meaning women had 8 more years of claiming a pension.

When this was equalised there were massive protests.


A properly thought out retirement system should reward those who have children, take care of step children or pay child support with retirement benefits based on the number of years of child care. This would give women a few extra years of retirement in line with their longer lifespan without artificially subsidizing them (child care is a form of labor that should be directly depositable in exchange for a pension).

That would align the incentives for fathers to stay with children or pay child support and for unlucky men to at least have an economic legacy that will work in exchange for their pension money, which would otherwise be worthless.


This is bunk - as in not even wrong territory.

Measures of productivity didn’t count domestic labor at all for the longest time. That correction occurred in this life time.


> This is written about quite a bit.

Go on.


It’s sometimes difficult to find the links through Google on short notice but I found one random site that discusses this. Of course the site is pro fathers but they do link to primary sources to verify the claims in the article.

There are plenty of other places this is discussed, and I’m not associated with and haven’t ever before read the following website.

It just happened to easily show up in my search.

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/the-good-life-th...


Then post the sources directly. What you linked to is obviously useless for good faith discussion?


What they linked cited sources well. Quote from the original source study.

"Housework was defined as “core chores,” or routine housework that people generally do not enjoy doing such as washing dishes, laundry, vacuuming floors and dusting … Routine housework, like cooking dinner or making beds, was captured … . Other activities such as home repairs, mowing the lawn, and shoveling snow were not in the study. Items such as gardening are usually viewed as more enjoyable; the focus here is on core housework."

Obviously completely BS biased sexist study. It doesn't get more blatant than that.


When I was a kid in Florida, my sisters stayed inside learning how to knit while watching tv in the AC while I was outside in 95º Florida Humidity heat, helping my grandfather repair and maintain his home.

Outdoor labor is not enjoyable.




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