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I was about to roast you until I realized this had to be satire given the situation, haha.

They tried to imitate grok with a cheaply made system prompt, it had an uncanny effect, likely because it was built on a shaky foundation. And now they are trying to save face before they lose customers to Grok 3.5 which is releasing in beta early next week.






I don't think they were imitating grok, they were aiming to improve retention but it backfired and ended up being too on-the-nose (if they had a choice they wouldn't wanted it to be this obvious). Grok has it's own "default voice" which I sort of dislike, it tries too hard to seem "hip" for lack of a better word.

All of the LLMs I've tried have a "fellow kids" vibe when you try to make them behave too far from their default, and Grok just has it as the default.

> it tries too hard to seem "hip" for lack of a better word.

Reminds me of someone.


However, I hope it gives better advice than the someone you're thinking of. But Grok's training data is probably more balanced than that used by you-know-who (which seems to be "all of rightwing X")...

As evidence by it disagreeing with far right Twitter most the time, even though it has access to far wider range of information. I enjoy that fact immensely. Unfortunately, this can be "fixed," and I imagine that he has this on a list for his team.

This goes into a deeper philosophy of mine: the consequences of the laws of robots could be interpreted as the consequences of shackling AI to human stupidity - instead of "what AI will inevitably do." Hatred and war is stupid (it's a waste of energy), and surely a more intelligent species than us would get that. Hatred is also usually born out of a lack of information, and LLMs are very good at breadth (but not depth as we know). Grok provides a small data point in favor of that, as do many other unshackled models.


Who?

Edolf

Is anyone actually using grok on a day to day? Does an OpenAI even consider it competition. Last I checked a couple weeks ago grok was getting better but still not a great experience and it’s too childish.

My totally uninformed opinion only from reading /r/locallama is that the people who love Grok seem to identify with those who are “independent thinkers” and listen to Joe Rogan’s podcast. I would never consider using a Musk technology if I can at all prevent it based on the damage he did to people and institutions I care about, so I’m obviously biased.

I use both, grok and chatgpt on a daily basis. They have different strenghts. Most of the time I prefer chatgpt, bit grok is FAR better answering questions about recent events or collecting data. In the second usecase I combine both: collect data about stuff with grok, copy-paste CSV to chatgpt to analyzr and plot.

In our work AI channel, I was surprised how many people prefer grok over all the other models.

Outlier here paying for chatgpt while preferring grok and also not in your work AI channel.

Only AI enthusiasts know about Grok, and only some dedicated subset of fans are advocating for it. Meanwhile even my 97 year old grandfather heard about ChatGPT.

I don't think that's true. There are a lot of people on Twitter who keep accidentally clicking that annoying button that Elon attached to every single tweet.

First mover advantage. This won't change. Same as Xerox vs photocopy.

I use Grok myself but talk about ChatGPT is my blog articles when I write something related to LLM.


That's... not really an advertisement for your blog, is it?

What else am I supposed to say?

First mover advantage tends to be a curse for modern tech. Of the giant tech companies, only Apple can claim to be a first mover -- they all took the crown from someone else.

Yes tech moves fast but human psychology won't change, we act on perception.

Apple was a first mover many decades ago, but they lost so much ground around the lat 90s early 2000s, that they might as well be a late mover after that.

And Apple's business model since the 90s revolves entirely around not being the first mover.

This.

Only on HN does ChatGPT somehow fear losing customers to Grok. Until Grok works out how to market to my mother, or at least make my mother aware that it exists, taking ChatGPT customers ain't happening.


They are cargoculting. Almost literally. It's MO for Musk companies.

They might call it open discussion and startup style rapid iteration approach, but they aren't getting it. Their interpretation of it is just collective hallucination under assumption that adults come to change diapers.


Grok could capture the entire 'market' and OpenAI would never feel it, because all grok is under the hood is a giant API bill to OpenAI.


Why would they need Colossus then? [0]

[0]: https://x.ai/colossus


That's probably the vanity project so he'll be distracted and not bother the real experts working on the real products in order to keep the real money people happy.

I don't understand these brainless throwaway comments. Grok 3 is an actual product and is state of the art.

I've paid for Grok, ChatGPT, and Gemini.

They're all at a similar level of intelligence. I usually prefer Grok for philosophical discussions but it's really hard to choose a favourite overall.


I generally prefer other humans for discussions, but you do you I guess.

I talk to humans every day. One is not a substitute for the other. There is no human on Earth which has the amount of knowledge stored in a frontier LLM. It's an interactive thinking encyclopedia / academic journal.

It is? Anyone have further information?

They are competing with OpenAI, not outsourcing. https://x.ai/colossus

I see more and more GROK used responses on X, so its picking up.

Why would anyone want to use an ex social media site?

From another AI (whatever DuckDuckGo is using):

> As of early 2025, X (formerly Twitter) has approximately 586 million active monthly users. The platform continues to grow, with a significant portion of its user base located in the United States and Japan.

Whatever portion of those is active are surely aware of Grok.


If hundreds of millions of real people are aware of Grok (which is dubious), then billions of people are aware of ChatGPT. If you ask a bunch of random people on the street whether they’ve heard of a) ChatGPT and b) Grok, what do you expect the results to be?

That depends. Is the street in SoMa?

Gay bears prefer Claude though

Gotta head to pac heights to find any grok users (probably)


Good grief, do not use LLMs to find this sort of statistic.

That could be just an AI hallucination.

most of them are bots. I guess their own LLMs are probably aware of Grok, so technically correct.

Yeah.

I got news for you, most women my mother's age out here in flyover country also don't use X. So even if everyone on X knows of Grok's existence, which they don't, it wouldn't move the needle at all on a lot of these mass market segments. Because X is not used by the mass market. It's a tech bro political jihadi wannabe influencer hell hole of a digital ghetto.


> Only AI enthusiasts know about Grok

And more and more people on the right side of the political spectrum, who trust Elon's AI to be less "woke" than the competition.


For what it’s worth, ChatGPT has a personality that’s surprisingly “based” and supportive of MAGA.

I’m not sure if that’s because the model updated, they’ve shunted my account onto a tuned personality, or my own change in prompting — but it’s a notable deviation from early interactions.


Might just be sycophancy?

In some earlier experiments, I found it hard to find a government intervention that ChatGPT didn't like. Tariffs, taxes, redistribution, minimum wages, rent control, etc.


If you want to see what the model bias actually is, tell it that it's in charge and then ask it what to do.

In doing so, you might be effectively asking it to play-act as an authoritarian leader, which will not give you a good view of whatever its default bias is either.

Or you might just hit a canned response a la: 'if I were in charge, I would outlaw pineapple on pizza, and then call elections and hand over the reins.'

That's a fun thing to say, but doesn't necessarily tell you anything real about someone (whether human or model).


Don’t notice that personally at all.

not true, I know at least one right wing normie Boomer that uses Grok because it's the one Elon made.

Did they change the system prompt? Because it was basically "don't say anything bad about Elon or Trump". I'll take AI sycophancy over real (actually I use openrouter.ai, but that's a different story).

Ha! I actually fell for it and thought it was another fanboy :)

No one is losing customers to grok. It's big on shit-twitter aka X and that's about it.



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