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Medical diversions (a passenger gets too sick) are by far the most common type. I find this interesting how the planes are so much more reliable than the passengers on board.


There are also a hundred or more passengers on a transpacific flight. If planes and humans were equally reliable, we'd expect to see medical diversions to outnumber mechanical ones by more than 100:1....


Also depends on whether you had the fish for the in-flight dinner.


I think this post is referencing a joke from the movie Airplane! https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/


which is in turn referencing the plot of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hour!

Surely one of the great comedies.



They serve dinner?


Never been on a plane before? Yeah they serve meals and drinks at your seat.


That's outrageous. Think of the profit they're giving up for comfortable service.


See: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/5935/did-removi...

"Apparently there was an airline that managed to save tens of thousands of dollars per year by removing a single olive from the salads in their meals, because it was hardly noticed by customers it was a massive win, tens of thousands of dollars without anyone noticing.

How true is this story?"


They serve food and drinks mainly to prevent medical related diversions.

Fed and watered customers are less likely to get ill and less likely to get unruly.


Another reason is to keep passengers occupied. Keep'em fiddling with stuff and it keeps them out of the hair of the flight crew.

Trying to fit an airline meal into the terribly limited space of an airline tray, and unwrap things that need unwrapping, and keep the trash under control, and find places for the small things they include that you don't even eat or need - and still manage to partake of the comestibles - this requires skills in spatial management that for some may lead to an unrewarding career in solving infernal Chinese wooden puzzles.


I wish they felt that way about space to move around.


Ah yes, I had lasagna.


Underrated comment right here.


That’s an interesting argument in favor of smaller and faster aircraft (for a given reliability…).


By quite a bit, right? Assuming passenger malfunctions were statistically independent, I guess passenger malfunctions would follow the binomial distribution.


The probability of any passenger malfunction should be exponential by the number of passengers.


Do you mean multiplicative? Or linear? Why would it be exponential?


Any one malfunctioning passenger is sufficient to fail the overall flight. Assume each is independently probable of malfunction. If we know nothing else about the passengers, we can only model them as having some average rate of successful flight without malfunction, say 99.9%.

Say there are 100 passengers. We roll the dice 100 times, once for each passenger.

The success rate for the overall flight would be 0.999 ^ 100 = 90.4% -> About a 10% chance of flight failure.

If there are 400 passengers, we get 67.0%, about a 33% chance of flight failure.

Given enough passengers per flight, few or no flights reach their destination.


I think they mean it's 1 - prob of any person getting sick ** number of people on plane


Shouldn't you multiply rather than add IID events?


Ratios are multiplicative.


It's because of the redundancies. I have heard "Master Caution/Alarm" blaring on (IIRC two of) my flights, mid flight, and nobody said anything.

We just continued undisturbed and landed as we should. I'm sure the plane went to technical hangar, tho.


Also that goes off pretty frequently. When the PIC switches off autopilot when coming in for landing, for example.


Yeah, many activities trigger it (the pilot will be expecting it coming out of autopilot, if he hears it at cruise because autopilot disengaged they'll investigate).


It was squarely mid-flight/cruising, international IIRC. We were nowhere near landing/approach.


I suspect you meant "the PF" not the PIC (where PF equals 'pilot flying').


Autopilot disconnect sound is distinct from master caution/warning.


Also, serious processes dealing with anomalies, anonymous incident reporting, strict maintenance rules, long term active government research...


If each passenger underwent a 35 point health inspection prior to takeoff like the planes do, the numbers might look different.


I'll vote for the politician that proposes this lol


Find a politician that would pass said test first.


Isn't that what the TSA is doing?


Once I was too tired on a long journey and made a rude comment when TSA was checking my green card for the third time in a 50 meter line. At that time my green card was expired for reasons outside my control so I also needed to carry some letters from DHS explaining why my green card was expired and that it was not my fault and I should be let back in.

Anyway, after the rude comment she just smirked and wrote XXX or something like that on my boarding card. I was like whatever, but when I got to the line at the gate and they checked my boarding card I got taken into a run for a "special" inspection. So unless you love body cavity searches don't be stupid and say things you are going to regret to TSA agents.


I mean, yeah, what else would you have expected?

You're lucky that it was only hand written. Some people get that printed on their boarding pass which means it will pretty much always happen to them.

I had a special sticker placed in my passport by Australia because I left my passport laying on the counter while having work gear inspected and paperwork. Didn't realize it until attempting to check in, and then left all of the gear with my coworker while I ran off to get the passport. When I returned with it, the official that was "helping" us with our gear placed the sticker in my passport. Everytime I returned to AU, I got the special screening minus cavity searches. It was my own damn fault, and I was never rude to anyone about it, but yeah, I probably did look a bit shady running off after leaving a stack of large pelican cases. Oh well, that passport has now expired and the new one is sticker free.


> TSA was checking my green card

I would expect immigration and customs to check the green card. Immigration has never checked my boarding pass for what would be a potential onward flight. TSA would be at different area in the airport.


TSA checks ID. Most folks present a passport or drivers license, but a green card would probably be accepted there.


Yes the TSA will certainly accept a current permanent resident card (green card) as valid ID.

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification


Don't fuck with people who can fuck you harder.


I didn't know it was going to be literal. She obviously knew I was no threat and was just on a power trip.


What gave you that impression? They're looking for hidden water bottles, not hidden diseases.


I assumed that comment was so obvisouly dripping with sarcasm that the /s wasn't needed, but that's what happens when on assumes


...perhaps an /ass may be needed?


Well the people don't get regular maintenance and inspections before every flight where the planes do for starters. It'd be concerning if a random group of a few hundred people were more reliably well than a given mechanical system their lives depend on.


Most people don’t even get a yearly inspection lol


I was on Sydney to LA and we diverted to Hawaii because a passenger died and was taken off. I found it curious that they wouldn’t just wait until LA as the person died in the air so it’s not like they needed immediate attention.

We all stayed on board and we’re maybe down for 20 minutes.


I would guess they diverted out of:

- respect for the dead: a person has just passed on. Many people want at least the illusion of deceased people being at rest, and would think it's undignified to bring the body all the way to the destination when it could be allowed to be taken off and "rest".

and

- the comfort of surrounding passengers: there's not a lot of free space on a passenger plane. I don't know if there are any procedures for moving a body to someplace more convenient to the other passengers, but doing so would kind of fly in the face of the previous point.


As others have pointed out, redundancy. Consider rather the likelihood of say 3 of 3 passengers falling ill - it's basically zero. (unless, as someone else pointed out, they all had the fish).




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