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Did anyone find the close button on the most annoying popup ever? Had to leave the page.


"Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The greater problem is the upvotes which tend to push these things to the top of a thread, where they choke out interesting discussion. But it's harder to do anything about the upvotes.


I appreciate the reminder of the rules dang, but this literally blocks the article and people are unable to read the submissions. And the fact it gets upvotes means it’s a valid concern.


I agree that it's a valid concern. The trouble is that there's a competing valid concern, namely that such comments routinely get upvoted to the top of threads whenever the OP contains an annoyance (which is often!). Then they tend to sit at the top, choking out more interesting discussion.

Since there are competing concerns, we have to decide how to weight them. For this, it is helpful to know what one is optimizing for. On HN, we're optimizing for intellectual curiosity [1]. Common/generic annoyances are generally less interesting than specific new information in an article, so we favor the latter over the former.

It's not that the other concern is invalid, just a lesser priority relative to what we're optimizing for. Optimization is knowing how to rank valid things. It's easy to drop invalid ones.

The current thread is an example. The highest comments after I marked this subthread off topic are https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30386892 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30384256. It's better for either of those to be the top subthread instead of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30384311, even though that popup is annoying.

You can't go by upvotes alone. Some categories of comment routinely get more upvotes than they should, relative to https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. This is a weakness of the voting system [2].

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...


This was helpful, thanks. I'm not the OP, but I once was scolded for posting a nitpick like the one being discussed here. I won't do it again, but I did feel like the OP that sometimes it is called for. I see your justification now and agree with it.


Yes, but this type of thing is common for non technical people setting up blogs. it's probably a plugin that the author has no idea even exists.

I had to close the page without reading as I couldn't figure out how to make it go away. Didn't seem to have a close button on it anywhere.


> it's probably a plugin that the author has no idea even exists.

It says "Built with ConvertKit". To get rid of it on every site, until they change it, add this uBlock Origin filter:

  *##.formkit-slide-in


There was enough screen real estate for me to read the text, like peering over a fence.


"Built with ConvertKit"

My guess: the author never tested it, saw a bump in email subscriptions after adding it, so they kept it.


well fart@fred.com is a new, eager subscriber!


Yes, the placement of the “X” was absurd. If it hadn’t been in a gutter I wouldn’t have found it.


I had to zoom out a few levels (ctrl- on windows/chrome), find the 'x' on the upper right side, close the popup, then zoom back in.

Really crappy experience, 'ConvertKit'!


It seems to go away after a reload.


Ditto. Evidently I failed the IQ test to find it.


I had to devtool remove it. Fortunately, they didn't obfuscate the popup like many seem to do nowadays.


Is it gone cause I'm not seeing anything? You guys might need some more adblocking!


Had to switch to reader view. “X” was invisible.


Top right corner, grey 'X'.


it's way up in to top right corner.




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