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This article is manipulative, bordering on malicious.

Its claim boils down to "Data visualization techniques can't be interpreted literally" -- which is obvious -- but is titled and written in such a way to provide ammunition to climate change deniers that "the other side" is being loose with facts, or something.

Absolute and insulting garbage. Whoever wrote this, edited it, approved it for release, and whoever posted it here, should be ashamed.



If "your side" is being loose with facts, then pointing that out isn't just providing ammunition to "the other side". Arguments are not soldiers you need to support unconditionally to secure victory for "your side" in the war of public opinion. Pointing out when "your side" is wrong will hopefully help it make better arguments in the future.


> If "your side" is being loose with facts,

But "my side" isn't being loose with facts. That's my point. Data visualization techniques are always lossy, that's just how they work. The article tries to paint this lossiness as deception, and that's wrong.


>is titled and written in such a way to provide ammunition to climate change deniers

Do you honestly think the BBC are climate change deniers?

Even when discussing something considered to be an emergency one shouldn't suppress truth and normalize deceit.


> one shouldn't suppress truth and normalize deceit.

My point is that the article is claiming deceit where none exists. Data visualization techniques are always lossy, that's just how they work. The article tries to paint this lossiness as deception, and that's wrong.


> Absolute and insulting garbage. Whoever wrote this, edited it, approved it for release, and whoever posted it here, should be ashamed.

Why. Because it doesn’t support climate change?


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Arson has been stable for 24 months to September 2019, it's a shame the data capture stops there. It's made up to deflect.

https://www.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/Documents/RCS-Quarterly/NSW_Re...

crime / 2018 / 2019 / Trend

Arson / 5,692 / 4,934 / Stable


>Arson has been stable for 24 months

Trends regarding arson in general may or may not correlate with a specific arson niche.


I agree. It's also really hard data to find.

A faction of our media is running with it as cold hard fact anyway that a new wave of arson is completely the cause of our current crisis.


Just in case someone actually still doesn't realise - this is a bullshit claim. (that arson is relevant in this situation) There are fires every year and they will happen. Climate change doesn't start fires. What it does is extends the fire season and makes forest management harder, which provides more fuel when the fire is burning.


https://abcnews.go.com/International/24-australians-arrested...

Seems like calling it bullshit is a little too all knowing for me. I’m going to go ahead with a scientific approach and not jump to conclusions.

Edit: let’s not pretend this type of thing would be unheard of https://m.dw.com/en/australia-police-arrest-man-accused-of-s... https://granitegrok.com/blog/2019/11/world-wildlife-federati...


The number is correct. The relevance is bullshit. Australia will have fires every year, arson or not. It needs to keep them under control either way - which is related to climate and forest management. If arson can create out of control fires, so can lightning.


I don't have any figure or analysis, but I would actually expect arson to be worse, since lightning strikes are more or less random whereas a skilled arsonist can theoretically start the fire in the right place (upwind, etc.)


> relevance is bullshit

Citation?


I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Fires are out of control. Have you got someone proving that fire caused by lightning could be controlled easier than fire started by arson?

Basically if you claim they're relevant, it's on you to find an explanation how/why. Not on everyone else to disprove every possible theory. Otherwise we're stuck in gish gallop.


Well clearly this is made worse by climate change! But...

You keep saying that you KNOW the arson arrests are “bullshit” when taking about this.

How are you making that claim? How do you know these fires are unrelated to two dozen arrests made? Please cite that.


You can't prove a negative. If they're connected and people have proof and it's relevant, they'd present it. And again, arson-related arrests are real and I'm not disputing them.

This would not even be an interesting topic if it wasn't pushed so strongly on social media with a lot of bias. (Wasn't as interesting a decade ago when it was a firefighter starting fires) So let's do a reasonable thing and drop that whole thing until someone comes up with a credible proof, not a theory abused by bots and media.


But every year people start fires. Just Google "<year> bushfire firebug arrested"

This is just grabbing the first news story from each one:

2014: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-21/youths-arrested-for-l...

2015: https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/australia/three-teenage-fir...

2016: https://www.naracoorteherald.com.au/story/4238341/cfa-firebu...

2017: https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/4828025/updated-acc...

2018: https://www.pressreader.com/australia/shepparton-news/201802...

Some of the 2009 Black Saturday bushfire were deliberately lit too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saturday_bushfires#Arson

Arson isn't new. The difference now is the scale of the fires and how hard they have been to fight because of that scale.


Newscorp should definitely not be your source for anything climate related.

It's well documented that the Murdoch's (of Newscorp ownership) are part of IPA thinktank [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Public_Affairs] push to portray climate change as imaginary. IPA drives Murdoch properties, right wing and conservative talking heads and seemingly 99% of the 'oh the greenies did (that thing that was enacted by the government in power)' conversations.


Not really. It does the cause (ecological) harm when obviously misleading maps are posted as representations of fire damage.

It gives the impression Australia is a burnt cinder with no unburnt areas left.


> obviously misleading maps are posted as representations of fire damage

The maps referenced in the article aren't "obviously misleading" -- data visualization techniques are always lossy, that's just how they work. Claiming they're misleading is the real deception.




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