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Just yesterday, I talked to a neighbor who has two kids attending a local school in Mitte. He told me that the children are constantly indoctrinated into group conformity, obedience to authority, and fear of "wrong-think," with a good splash of wokie-talkie on top of it. To me, that sounds like a complete erasure of agency. Schools must provide knowledge, not override the nurture given by parents.

I have personally observed how locals are bullied by overseas guests and choose a delusional escape into virtue signaling rather than defending themselves. I consider German upbringing to be that of a defeated people.


I consider German upbringing to be that of a defeated people

i don't know what you are trying to imply here. how should the feeling of defeat affect the upbringing? (i mean,i am sure there would be an effect, but how would that look like?)

what i can tell you is that the sentiment i experienced was not defeat. after all this is neither our, nor our parents, (and for the current generation also not their grandparents) experience. the feeling we were taught was that of embarrassment, of how could we let that happen and consequently the need to understand how we can avoid that from ever happening again. except for a minority or right wing sympathizers that we keep a close eye on.


I think that the Allied victors laid the foundation of the current German education system on initial denazification and subsequent extreme pacification, to such a degree of impotence that people refuse to defend themselves even when they are fully capable of neutralizing a criminal, preferring to become victims rather than use force.


i don't have this feeling at all. on what experience do you base that on?


I’ve seen multiple instances of robberies where the attacker was a head shorter and could have been easily stunned, or worse, with a single hit, yet people gave away their valuables because even the thought of using violence is taboo. Of course, the police always say, “Just file a complaint,” which never results in anything. It’s not a joke: even if violence is used purely to stop a criminal, the police will prosecute you, lol. I’m not American, but I like the idea that one could defend themselves and their property using all means necessary.


West Asia is not Europe geographically. People there are not ethnically European, do not speak Indo-European (PIE-derived) languages and are mostly Muslims. The final bit of disrespect was conversion of Saint Sofia cathedral into a mosque. It stopped being European the moment Greeks lost it.


Recently live development capabilities were added to Ruby as well, thanks to latest patches to inf-ruby, now it's possible to eval code around the breakpoint and in the global context as well, everything available right under cursor.



In most of Europe we have gymnasiums (advanced secondary) and lyceums (advanced high) schools, while primary is "just school" and the same for everyone. After primary education, usually 4 years, entry exams are held at gymnasiums, which have a lot of profiles (PhysMath, ChemBio, Philology etc, mine was Informatics), and those talented enough to pass them are transferred there, while the majority is filtered out and stays in "just schools". After secondary education (4 more years) people could get their high school level education at their "just school" or gymnasium, or either go to lyceum (requires exams) or college (as well). Lyceums are usually for those who aim at doing science at universities, and colleges for those for whom associate's degree is good enough (like me). What is really useful is that with associate's degree people could admit to the 3rd year of university of related profile to get their bachelor's in usually 2 more years. The profitable outcome of such a system is that everybody gets treated depending on their ability, resources are spent effectively and least common denominator doesn't sinks talents. Btw all of those are totally free, so no "social class" advantages are held by anyone. Maybe it's time for US to have gymnasiums and lyceums as well?


is that actually most of Europe or just Germany?


Balkans (former Yugoslavia) and Eastern Europe (especially CIS states) have a similar system


Eastern Europe in my case, Belarus specifically


Btw most of the Russia is not Europe even in geographical sense.


"Physical reality" is also a construct, philosophically saying there's only information.


Commies in USSR wanted to take away children from parents and nurture them in special institutions, but luckily didn't succeeded. Do you want the same for yours or is it better to be able to help your children and share your experience with them?


Well met stranger! I don't understand how your comment is related to anything I said. I never suggested you avoid helping your children. I stated that by being able to help them, you are giving them a significant advantage.


That's how natural selection works and it's natural for a reason, ie was proven to be evolutionary successful, diversity is the king, and when there's a king there's always going to be someone not that much successful. We as society should embrace competition and filtering out because that's healthy when resources isn't infinite, which is our case.


It's very dependant on culture, slavic elders used to go into the forests forever once they notice that they should require daycare soon.


And what are the consequences of not following this rule?


It's actually a Pahonia coat of arms, traditional national emblem of Belarus, and it's officially established by the Third Statute of Lithuania in 1588. All the laws and statutes of the Great Duchy of Lithuania are written using the Old Belarusian language and this language is claimed by a statute to be the language of a titular nation. In a present day Belarus we do not consider Lithuania to be a successor of the Great Duchy, neither culturally, nor ethnically.


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