It’s finally come to a close. I found a job through a referral via family member. I have to move somewhere I really don’t want to move, and may not even be able to hold done the job for long, but screw it.
I’m just hoping I can find a way out of the industry before it’s too late.
> companies seem much more picky (“you were great but we want someone with more tenure in <specific variant of field>”)
This was my exact experience. I’ve been out of work for a year and I’m more jaded than ever.
I finally got a job through what I assume was nepotism. It was the worst interview I’ve done lately, awkward, because I didn’t have any experience in the particular tech stack, but I got the offer.
What pissed me off were companies ghosting after doing the full set of rounds onsite. At one point, I was interviewing for a position a third party recruiter contacted me about. It wasn’t great, but it would pay the bill and I was desperate. It seemed like a decent fit given my last experience too. I got all the way to the final round which I had to travel hours for. At the end of the internet, one of the people even said “I imagine you’ll be hearing from us soon”. But they just ghosted me. Hell they ghosted the recruiter, who a couple weeks later was calling me asking if I had heard anything because they weren’t talking to him. If a company ghosts after an initial round or two, ok, whatever, but if I go the full distance and you don’t have the respect to even give me a yes or no, fuck you.
I think it’s not even about low stress, but low barrier to entry. There are plenty of things I’d rather be doing than software development (in fact I never planned on going into this field professionally), but I just can’t.
I’m also not surprised by the “The number of candidates applying with claimed ML/AI experience who haven’t done anything more than follow online tutorials is wild”. Just go look at any Ask HN thread about “how do I get into ML/AI”. This is pretty typical advice. Hell it’s pretty typical advice given to people asking how to get into any domain. Now sure we’ll how it works outside of bog standard web development though.
While you can find a some of the big names in specific genres on bandcamp, it’s always struck me as more of a place for underground and tiny artists. The genre breakdown categories tend to be pretty good, and you can find some interesting stuff that’s not easily found elsewhere. Sometimes I’d just go into a specific genre and start listening to anything that caught my eye. I usually found it much better than streaming platforms, that just continuously recommend the same stuff I’ve heard time and time again, but just didn’t have in a playlist. I do have a problem with their mobile app though: It doesn’t allow you to change the sort method, so you end up seeing a lot of stuff you’ve already seen before.
To be honest, I don’t use it as much as I used to. Nowadays, I’ve mostly found YouTube channels that upload and curate various rare and underground content for specific genres and that’s how I do most of my new (and new old) music discovery.
I have this pattern of getting really tired in the early afternoon, and then by night time, I would be fully awake. I couldn’t just sleep when I was tired because then I won’t sleep at night, and it just become this terrible cycle. I can’t stay awake at night because things need to be done during the day.
It’s been better recently, but some years ago, I would come home from work just completely exhausted and pass out immediately. I would only sleep for a few hours, but then wouldn’t get tired again until 4-5am at which point I often would just power through it because I’d have to get ready and go to work in a couple hours anyway. It peaked a few years ago when I completely wrecked my sleep and didn’t sleep for a few days straight. I remember waking up, thinking about something I believe was just utter nonsense, and a second later being unable to recall what I was even thinking about. I ended up getting my sleep schedule back by cycling some light stimulants during the day and crappy sleep aids at night until I was back to a normal schedule, but that probably wasn’t very healthy itself.
I've always been sort of a "night owl" I can stay up to 2 or 3 am pretty easily and like sleeping until 10 or 11am. I seem to get my best "deep" sleep between 6am and 10am.
Yeah that sounds similar to what my sleep schedule has been since I’ve been out of work. Prior to that I was doing mostly 12a-8a, but I was working remotely so it was easier.
I do enjoy the night, it’s cooler and calmer, sadly there’s just not much that can get done. I remember years ago working a night job, where I would often work very long hours, but I would get accusations of being lazy from people who just saw me as sleeping all day.
That was absolutely me too, until about a year ago when I lost the ability to sleep in (at all, I cannot sleep past 8ish). It's been a painful adjusting period.
That sounds a lot like the kind of "brain desynchronization" as I call it, related in my experience to alcohol use. Alcohol kind of puts half of my brain to sleep, and after I sober up and go to sleep that same half us behind schedule, so to speak.
I’m very close to giving up. I am now on unemployment and living with a friend m. Luckily my lease ran up earlier this year so it wasn’t as bad as it could have been.
In the last month, I’ve had:
- A call with a recruiter for a company I applied to. The position seemed like a very good fit given my past experience and what they were looking for. Got an email a week later saying they’d gone with someone else.
- A call with a third party recruiter. Went well initially, but the higher ups didn’t like that I’d been out of work for so long.
- A job offer, but with so much bureaucracy and red tape I don’t even have a start date yet. And there’s a good chance I won’t be able to hold down the job for very long anyway. I suspect this offer was somewhat of a nepo hire anyway. I was referred by a family member, and despite having an awkward interview, and admittedly not having much experience with their tech stack, I got an offer. I will have to move though to an area that doesn’t appeal to me and ruins all my medium and long term plans.
- Various ATS rejections. Including getting rejected from a company I worked for pre Covid, which I had no issues getting in via cold app some years ago.
Long term I need to get out of software, but there doesn’t seem to be a good path to something else.
I’ve done it twice. The first time was when I was 18 or 19 trying to get my first job in the industry. I put in a ton of applications, and while it felt tedious, it only took around three months at the end of the day.
The second time was this time. I’ve probably put at least 100 applications in over the past year, and it’s been very hit or miss on whether I get interviews. I don’t bother researching and applying for the few jobs in interested in, because I’m usually not qualified for them. Most of my recent job applications have been exclusively ones that looks like they’re relevant compared to my resume, and some that are different from the work I’ve done in the past, but utilize tangential skills.
Yes, I can see that working early in a career. Now that I think of it, my best friend did exactly that too when he was 19, and he managed to get his foot in the door.
For what it's worth I think your current strategy of applying for relevant jobs is the right one, particularly if it's a difficult market where you are. Tangential skills are also good possibilities. I hope you find something that works for you.
When you are fresh out of college you don't stand out. A few months ago we had 100 applicants for an entry level programming position. Every applicant was finishing their bachelors (a couple in CS, the rest in computer engineering) in June. They all had done some internship (in a not very relevant area but that is expected) and a class project. Almost all of them were Eagle scouts (until recently scouts only allowed boys so this is indirectly an assessment of boy/girl ratio of applicants and thus illegal for me to care about). It was really hard to filter down who to interview because they all look the same and we only had one position. As such spaming your resume is the best bet when fresh from school.
When you have been our of school for a while we get a few resumes with interesting experience that can make a few people stand out. Most probably have standout experience, but it doesn't come out in the resume.
Most people are terrible at writing resumes. We used to joke that we would throw half the resumes in the bin immediately on the grounds that we didn't want to employ unlucky people!
The biggest mistake I see for people with experience is that they describe their role and responsibilities but not what they specifically contributed and why they are awesome.
The best advice I was ever given is that your resume is a marketing document. It should contain things you would like to be asked about in an interview. Cut out everything else.
From my experience, when you have too many similar resumes there are no useful metrics you can define. You just have to choose some to interview and bin the rest.
That was my bosses problem. If we have more than 10 résumés he filters them and tells me. He used to be technical so he can filter well enough and I can focus on real work not hiring.
I applied to company using workday recently. The job was a referral and the JD made it explicitly clear I didn’t need a degree. Yet it was a required field.
And of course, it wasn’t a free form text field that would allow me to just enter N/A or my high school. It was a drop-down/search box that had a predefined list of colleges and universities. I ended up just entering some college I attended for two months before dropping out.
I've also seen that too. The no-free-form entry sucks. I went to a pretty big public school, but for some reason it wasn't included in the pre-populated list on one job I was applying to. No clue what the company using it's controls look like, but I even checked over big name public universities to see if they were on the pre-populated list and it was surprising how many were missing. Like UNC (University of North Carolina) wasn't listed.
I’m just hoping I can find a way out of the industry before it’s too late.