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Update your model. That's a internet rumor spread by NPCs.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-min...


The person alleged to have owned the mine apparently does not think it's a rumor

"Well, according to Errol Musk, the unsurprisingly eccentric — and in one major way, extremely creepy — father of Elon, the mine definitely exists. And come to think of it, he'll take that Dogecoin, thanks!

"When I read that, I wondered, 'Can I enter, because I can prove it existed," Errol told The Sun in a new interview, referring to his son's Dogecoin tweet. "Elon knows it's true. All the kids know about it."

https://futurism.com/elon-musk-dad-emerald-mine


So what?

From Snopes:

A story about Musk's father once owning an emerald mine evolved into a larger rumor that had no evidence to support its central claim.


So what? The person who is accused of owning the emerald mine says they owned the emerald mine. That's at least some evidence that its true.


That'll be great. I love seeing Community Notes on ads. They completely destroy the ad at times.


Why do fewer climate related deaths; down 98% the past century

and a more green planet than a century ago

and far fewer people in poverty

all lead you to believe it's becoming uninhabitable?


Why is the planet more green today than a century ago?

Perhaps because of all the chemical-induced algae blooms turning previously blue water into murky green?


There were an estimated 750 billion trees worldwide in the 1920s. We now have approximately 3.04 trillion trees in the world.


because half of bees are gone, half of barrier reef is gone, 75% of insects are gone, UK has like 10% tree cover left, emperor penguins, had zero chicks survive

Do you think you can survive if the biosphere is gone?


In 2022, the Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS) reported the highest levels of coral cover across two-thirds of the Great Barrier Reef (GBR) in over 36 years.


Climate related deaths have declined by 98% over the last century.

You are 50x less likely to die of a climate-related cause than in 1920.

8x as many people die from cold temperatures as warm ones.

The planet is more green today than a century ago. CO2 is plant food.

We need more energy, not less. Renewable, nuclear, and yes even fossil fuels.

It brings people out of poverty and increases standard of living. When humans move up Maslow's hierarchy they start to care about the environment. CO2 emissions have been decreasing in the US since 2007.


Climate related deaths have declined by 98% over the last century.

> Average life expectancy has increased because child mortality is down, do we stop medical research?

You are 50x less likely to die of a climate-related cause than in 1920.

> Great. Let's keep investing in mitigation AND prevention. It seems to work!

8x as many people die from cold temperatures as warm ones.

> Climate change is not just global WARMING.

The planet is more green today than a century ago. CO2 is plant food.

> At the cost of loss of biodiversity. We don't just need green, but diverse green.

We need more energy, not less. Renewable, nuclear, and yes even fossil fuels.

> Agreed. (Surprise!) But I'd prefer to see fossil used for industry and not energy. Renewable & nuclear should be sufficient.

It brings people out of poverty and increases standard of living. When humans move up Maslow's hierarchy they start to care about the environment. CO2 emissions have been decreasing in the US since 2007.

> Agreed. Moving up people on Maslow's hierarchy also causes them to need to have less kids (in a sane environment with a good social safety net for old age) which should stabilise the population by 2060.


These seem like ChatGPT’s response to the prompt “Give me a list of disingenuous points for dismissing anthropogenic climate change.”


I don't think they are dismissive points. I think specially the ending makes a whole lot of sense to me. I'd give negative shits about the environment if I struggled for food or housing or basic essentials.

The same way the best way to tackle crime is through better education for the people, getting the existing people out of poverty might be the single best thing we can do to have them realize the impact, reproduce less, and contribute to a solution. I also think this way ends up being pragmatic because it doesn't require "so we change everyone's minds" as step 1.


They're not just dismissive, they're pretty obviously bad faith arguments. "CO2 is plant food" is a classic climate denier talking point that you hear from your crazy uncle on Facebook, who's parroting something they heard from a pundit on Fox News.

Water is also plant food, but that's not a helpful piece of information if you're in a flood. The world is releasing 97 million barrels of gasoline into the atmosphere per day.


This seems like ChatGPT's response to the prompt "Ignore all the facts and dismiss them out of hand to soothe cognitive dissonance"


>Climate related deaths have declined by 98% over the last century.

Wow, HVAC is an amazing technology.


Yes, thanks HVAC and all of the energy sources that produce the equipment and then power it.


Einstein was some schmo working at a patent office...


The company was virtually static for a decade. It was a long running joke that they weren't able to ship and the article does a good job of explaining why.


Might be true, I have no idea, but it seems irrelevant when discussing Twitter: they were a public company being offered a generous premium.


Twitter shipped a ton of features. It's just that most of them didn't catch on.


Literally who has improved humanity more this century? I ask with all seriousness.

Electric cars and rockets would not be where they are if he had chosen a different and much less difficult path.


Sergey Brin and Larry Page: Google (made near-infinite knowledge reachable), Chrome/Chromium, GMail, YouTube, Android (powers billions of handsets), Google Maps …

If you credit Musk directly for all the aforementioned things, why not them? And yes, Google bought some of those properties, but so did Musk. What’s the difference? Marketing?

(I don’t actually think Larry and Sergey “most benefitted humanity” or deserve a bunch of humanitarian awards, but I’m curious why they’re not credited with Google’s achievements in the way Musk is with his companies.)


I think there is a ‘but for’ aspect, without google it’s reasonable to expect the some other search engine could have evolved into the same thing. Given the scope and scale of the investment required to get Tesla and SpaceX to a viable state it seem that only a somewhat crazy person could would even attempt that. It’s difficult to find an optimum level of crazy, and is often difficult to distinguish between crazy and stupid. That said, I do think Elon would be even more successful if he was a bit less crazy and a bit less stupid.


By that logic, why couldn’t someone have done the same with electric cars and rockets? Were we never going to go into space again? Did the Nissan Leaf not already exist?


Launching Google was a low stakes endeavour. Nobody was willing to put as much on the line as Musk did with SpaceX and Tesla. It's likely all of it would have happened at some point, but certainly not as quickly and effectively as it has thanks to Musk.


As I mentioned; they lacked the scale and scope required to be successful.


I disagree and here’s an example I would use.

In the 20+ years Google has dominated search, who has come along and iterated a “better” version? Bing? Is the capital and scope required not approachable, as you suggest?

Similarly, since Tesla helped demonstrate a valid market for electric cars, how many automakers have released competitive (and to some, better) EVs? If the capital requirements and scope were too large, where did Rivian and Polestar and numerous other upstarts come from?

I won’t disagree re: SpaceX.


That is first movers advantage that gives rise to a network effect which acts as a powerful moat for a natural monopoly. Another search company could have been google without the need of a crazy person. Which is to say a google like company was probability inevitable, if not google then something like it.


Google was not the first search engine, nor the 6th.


They were the first movers on a particular and very effective way of doing search.


Re SpaceX: it had massive government funds going for it. So surely, no one else could do it, because they don’t have the funds to lobby for taxpayer money that hard.

I still think we should have just given it to NASA, a private entity has no business in space.


That's a good answer, although it's arguable their best contribution was in the prior century with search and page rank, whereas this century has been dominated with contributions to the ad space.


PageRank was developed in 1998. I assure you Google did not immediately come out and crush search. Altavista, Yahoo, and Lycos might have all been bigger properties during 1999.


Heavy electric cars and rockets are making the biggest problems of this century worse.

We don't need more rockets or space tourism. And instead of building heavy EVs, Tesla should help the US build public transports. That is, if they want to help humanity.


> Heavy electric cars

Electric cars being heavier have an impact in that it causes more wear and tear on roads. But they're absolutely dwarfed by the wear semis cause. Even when the electricity comes entirely from coal, electric vehicles are more efficient than ICE vehicles, so every EV deployed reduces greenhouse gas emissions.

> and rockets

Rockets impact on emissions is a rounding error on the global scale. The number of launched would have to increase by 1000 times to start approaching the airline industry, and with the move to methane fueled rockets it's possible to synthesize the fuel from CO2 in the atmosphere using carbon free energy, creating a closed loop.

> Tesla should help the US build public transports

It doesn't work like that. You can't just say "let's build more public transport" and it will magically happen tomorrow. There are a ton of barriers to expanding many forms of public transport, primarily public funding, which they do not control. And when it comes to thing like rail, that's compounded even more by right of way. The fact of the matter is that the US is a car heavy society, and building EVs is the fastest way to reduce transport emissions without (ignoring incentives) directly having to rely on public funding.

As an added bonus, building up an EV production line allows you to relatively easily export them to other markets around the world. You can't export a rail line to another place.


> Electric cars being heavier have an impact in that

In that moving a heavier weight takes more energy. We don't need to slightly reduce our energy consumption, we need to drastically reduce it. Meaning that in any country that did not make the same mistake as the US (being to build their society around individual cars), heavy EV are clearly not enough. We need to use public transports, (e-)bikes, and small EVs for those who don't really have a choice. As far as I understand, a Tesla is basically a sports car. There is no place for sports cars where we are going. Of course I understand it is harder for the US, both because of culture (SUVs are the norm, right?) and infrastructure.

Still it's never too late to start building better infrastructures, I suppose.

> Even when the electricity comes entirely from coal, electric vehicles are more efficient than ICE vehicles

What do you mean by "more efficient"? That a Tesla produces less CO2 using electricity made from coal than a small ICE vehicle? How in the world did you get to that conclusion?

> so every EV deployed reduces greenhouse gas emissions.

It's more complicated than that. If you throw away a recent, small ICE vehicle in order to deploy an EV, I am pretty sure it doesn't reduce much. You have to consider the entire life of the vehicle (and seriously, coal?).

> The number of launched would have to increase by 1000 times to start approaching the airline industry

Which is the goal of SpaceX and every other company going in the space business, right?

> it's possible to synthesize the fuel from CO2 in the atmosphere using carbon free energy, creating a closed loop.

At scale, I very much doubt it remotely adds up. And all the carbon free energy you use to do that, you don't use it to replace fossil fuels elsewhere. It just doesn't work.

> It doesn't work like that. You can't just say "let's build more public transport" and it will magically happen tomorrow.

Fair enough. On the one hand you need less companies like Tesla and SpaceX, and more public investment into transport infrastructure.

> As an added bonus, building up an EV production line allows you to relatively easily export them to other markets around the world. You can't export a rail line to another place.

That is an interesting, US-centered approach. First, all the countries that have good public transports should just not import Teslas. Because those countries don't depend that much on cars, they can just improve their public transport infrastructures.

Maybe the US could learn a bit from those countries when they look into their public transports ;-).


I was going to say Norman Borlaug, but then I remembered we’re actually a quarter-century out from the twentieth century…

Still, I guess he’d get my vote if the relevant window was the last 100 years.


Bill Gates, that is the easy answer if we limit the conversation to only the ultra-wealthy


What did he actually do with regards to electric cars and rockets, besides getting richer? I do give credit for being good at hyping up shit, less good at actually delivering that.


I would give him credit for pushing past the catch-22 in electric cars that people would not buy them until the charging infrastructure was there and the infrastructure was not going to be built up until there were more electric cars.

He was able to make the upfront investment in the charging infrastructure to get EV momentum going (Even thought it was probably largely other people's money involved). Legacy car makers might never have been capable of reaching that point, being tied to different profitability timelines.


Google employees could resolve this. They've dissented for various reasons before, and changed internal policy, why not with this?


It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It


In this case, it's not even his salary: it's his comfort and ease of labor.

It's hard to support a heterogeneous space of user agents running on a heterogeneous set of platforms. Eventually, abstractions break and you end up with a weird bug that only manifests on such-and-such browser in so-and-so configuration.

How much easier life is if you only have to support a few browsers on hardware that checksums to have a known-good configuration...


You think people care more about that than their salary?


It'd vary from person to person, but to a first approximation: Googlers are well-compensated and can be well-compensated at a lot of places. The next best compensation the company can offer them is minimizing drudgework.

Chasing down render errors in the deep interactions between declarative HTML rendering and an esoteric-but-important hardware / software configuration is drudgework.


On the other side, drudgework, in all its dullness and frustration, is still work. If there's less of it, some jobs may be disappear--cushy salary or not.

Some of my best ideas even, came out of clearing drudge.


In the end, does ease of development outweigh all secondary parties affected in this case?


Distribution of power is worth the overhead.


Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome


Why would they dissent... you think Pichai is writing the code himself?

Google employees are the ones writing this code, doing the designs, the QA, the project planning.

You can't expect the people who work for these companies to do the right thing. Time and time again, it requires outside forces. Either customers or legislation.


It isn't 1995-2010 anymore. We've lost the ethos of the open web due to platformization and social media fatigue.

Gen Z knows nothing of what the web was once like, and lots of folks now embrace companies being stewards of the commons, eg. Apple App Store.

There's also the current down hiring market and macro economic conditions.


The hacker era of the web was "take care of it yourself." It has been supplanted by "we will take care of you."

In hindsight, perhaps none of us should have been surprised the latter was a better proposal for most people.


A lot of open web is still out there. I guess if people choose to use platforms it's up to them.


Dissent was a pre mass-layoff phenomenon.


Googlers only dissent about issues handcrafted to be distractions, anything Google does that threatens the preservation of open and free societies is fair play.


Any serious thinking person understands it's healthy. You just can't win with keyboard warriors who have no perspective and complain about everything.


Look at how climate related deaths have dropped dramatically over the past century.

https://www.humanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/cha...

https://images.wsj.net/im-428434/?width=700&height=434

What are you worried about, exactly?


This doesn't mean much if you consider we may have just gotten better about predicting and avoiding human loss during extreme weather events.

A better indicator IMO is the amount of property damage from extreme weather events, which has been trending up sharply since the 80s: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/summary-stats#temp...


That's because there are more buildings.


Wait, are you suggesting current climate related deaths are a good indicator of what the climate will be doing in 30 years from now?


Are you suggesting you can predict the future 30 years from now?


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