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That's not a real BBS. A real BBS is one where you dial in at 20:50 and the sysop's mum answers and says it's not 21:00 yet and you need to call back a bit later when the phone line is switched across to the modem.


That brings back memories. When I was aged 9-12, I made enough money mowing lawns during the summer to afford to have multiple phone lines to support my BBS. I made a bit of money during the fall raking leaves as well. But when winter time came, I had to always disconnect all of the additional lines because I could not afford them.

But I also kept one extra line just for my PC because it was always a pain to dial out to another BBS or chat room when my mother wanted to use the phone to talk to her long distance boyfriend.


Apparently "Software Creations" BBS, which ran PCBoard BBS software and was operated in cooperation with Apogee games.

https://x.com/ScottApogee/status/1593729387106512896


Thank you!

In the alcove on the right, I think I'm seeing 66-blocks, breaking out the phone lines that must be routed to each machine. Two blocks stacked, each with a fanout of wire on the right side.


Oh that's a breaker box (or a box of wiring of some sort), not a mirror!


A mirror? I first saw it as a common (US-centric) exterior metal door, with a window -- and with a shelf blocking the opening.

The blur does interesting things.


yeah the shine in the top left of the rectangle was what led me to think it was a mirror, which from my experience would have been really strange for the types of nerds that would work in windowless rooms back in those days.

The black cable underneath looked like the shadow of an oval frame


Glorious. This must be what is like when old people long for the hot car they lusted for in their youth.


> Glorious. This must be what is like when old people long for the hot car they lusted for in their youth.

Absolutely. The blog post goes to great lengths about why it's stupid to run a cluster, and I run a NAS in my house that has more horsepower than anything from the 90s, but there's a part of me that's still a teenager who wants to run a monster multi-node BBS


I get it... FWIW, you can run a telnet/ssh based BBS today over relatively modest hardware, though self-hosting at home given common blocking of regular server ports is a pain.

I've got a nas and a relatively powerful mini-pc for most of my home lab server stuff... but all the same, juggling about 6 BBS related projects I'm hoping I can bring all together later in the year.


Or maybe this is like fondly remembering the busted economy car that you drove around with your friends? I have my first 386DX sitting on my desk right now and it looks exactly like the top left of that photo.

The hot car that we all lusted after was maybe something like a SGI Indy or an O2.


I recall old people being glad that air conditioning was invented.


Life with air conditioning is nice, but life without it wasn't as bad as it is now when the a/c fails.

Cars had vents that would blow outside air right were it was needed without using the heater/fan system, or wing windows that you could direct "relatively quiet" air at you.

Now if your car's a/c fails, you get to roll the window down and that's about it.


In this picture it seems that all machines have a 3.5" floppy disk inserted. Maybe they had no hard drive and only booted from floppy and then ran software over the network?


A lot of network interface cards had a socket for an option ROM that would allow network boot, but you could definitely fit a client on a floppy and boot that way, too. Novell Netware server would be the mostly likely server for that vintage of rig and a Netware client fit easily on a floppy.


That telephone cord is impressive.


Pretty standard option for any home with a teenager, to be honest. Long enough to drag the handset into the nearest coat closet when needed.


Mom’s listening along on the other phone with her hand covering the receiver.


We have them at work on our voip phones so we can roll around to each other's cubes while talking to a client without putting that client on speaker. We have headsets and the like too but you're not always wearing it when the phone decides to ring.


Interesting. I thought that looked like a frisbee between the 3 disk packs (?) just below the ceiling next to the cupboard with the brown slatted doors. But then the original picture was so small I thought it must be a desk fan, but in the larger picture I'm going back to my original guess of a frisbee!


Hmm, that is interesting, why was that version originaly hosted on 3drealms site? Probably nothing, somebody there just wanted to share a cool picture. But what if that were an early apogee shareware distribution bbs?


it was 3D Realms official BBS

https://nitter.privacyredirect.com/ScottApogee/status/159372... Scott Miller - Apogee/3D Realms Founder :

>BBS's (bulletin board systems) were the backbone of the online world before the Internet came along in 1995. Apogee teamed up with Dan Linton's BBS, called Software Creations, and we poured $200k+ into it to grow it to nearly 140 call-in nodes with a T3 (high bandwidth) line.


I was lucky enough to have a T1 in 1995 and still think to this day that 1.544 Mbps is enough to do real work.


I seem to recall that the release of DooM caused BBSs around the world to be backed up for ages.


wait, are you OP? or did you happen to find a high res version of the same paper-copy picture that OP supposedly was given 30 years ago and then scanned and then threw out. or did OP make it up? or is OP just a bot?

maybe i'm a bot.

anyway i used to call into BBSs back in the early 90s and the thing I'm remembering is that they survived mostly on donations, and now that I am seeing the infrastructure that supported those systems and recalling the price of hardware back then I'm starting to second guess everything I thought I knew.


Rachel says she had the photo as a postcard. It's likely that more postcards were printed, and that other people had owned those copies, rather than people being bots.


postcard-sized photo


Click on the HN “past” link for this submission near the top of this page, then you’ll get to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30096565 (see the top comment there) from when the original image link was still working.


Many sites including Google offer reverse image search. You give it an image and it gives you a list of places it appears, sometimes in higher resolution or with more context (or different context, which can be interesting).


15 years ago, blue.


The ground.


Those are from a call to action campaign from the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

https://act.eff.org/action/save-alice-tell-the-patent-office...


Is there any point to these campaigns? It's not a vote, right? The idea is that they're supposed to collect diverse arguments and get as many informed perspectives as they can. "Lots of people pushed a button to post this comment" is not going to be a very powerful perspective.


Sheer volume is worth something. Perhaps only a little after the fiasco at the FCC with the forged net neutrality comments.


Isn't the FCC process actually explicit about the fact that number-of-votes isn't a factor? I don't know where I read this, but I feel like I read something about the regulatory feedback process and thought to myself "this is exactly how AfD at Wikipedia work" (where voting is also useless and actually counterproductive).


If volume isn't expressly ruled out as a factor it probably ought to be.


For the unfamiliar, AfD is "Articles for Deletion"


Copy&Paste 'comments' on something like this just get binned anyway, same as when the FCC opened comments on the net neutrality issue.


> In what sense is there an oversupply of luxury housing? Are there lots of vacant luxury units?

Short answer, yes. If you're interested in detailed information about NYC housing, I definitely recommend checking out the Housing and Vacancy survey data (https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/hpd/downloads/pdf/about/2017-hvs...)


False. It’s the year 5779 in the Hebrew calendar. שנה טובה


שנה טובה


If you want something a little hands off, I use Mail-in-a-box (https://mailinabox.email/) which does all the setup on the server for you automatically. I switched over to running my own email server several months ago and it's been working without any issues.


> I wish every small business could be paid to create jobs.

They already do! It's called revenue.


>> I wish every small business could be paid to create jobs.

>They already do! It's called revenue.

I give you a job. I pay you $500. You generate $100 of revenue.

I'm pretty sure I just lost $400, you gained less than $400 after taxes, and the IRS gets to enjoy the spread.

Edit: changed to reflect that there are more winners than just the IRS


1. You're a bad employer, if you're losing $400 per employee, and deserve to be run out of business as per capitalistic market efficiency.

2. I just "won" $300.


1. Agreed.

2. Agreed-ish. Assuming 40% tax, which seems high (unless you live in a country that has nationalised health care)

3. Neither of these things relate to being paid to create jobs. You're not wrong, you're just not on thread.


Just for reference, 40% tax is still high for a country with nationalized health care (Canada):

https://simpletax.ca/calculator

At $150k/yr, your marginal tax rate is close to 40%, but your overall tax rate is more like 31%. I'm in Saskatchewan, and every time I've played with different income levels, taking into account the exchange rate, we end up paying very similar amounts of all-in income tax, with ours including (most) health care. (Comparing with California)


Once you consider the typical US co-payments to actually use health care, it's cheaper in Canada. Getting an MRI in California cost me close to $1K out of pocket, despite fancy insurance that paid most of it. In Canada it's pre-paid in taxes.


Also when you consider that we don't have to pay anything for insurance to cover that. The MRI costs $0 out of pocket, covered by the healthcare that is already factored into our equal-cost taxes.

There's still a benefit to having health insurance for covering stuff not covered by the gov't plan: vision, dental, some fraction of prescription drugs, etc. I do have a health plan through work, but I think it costs somewhere around $50-75/month to cover all of that stuff for my family.


Absolutely. If you add decent insurance to income taxes as a basic cost of living, it's cheaper in Canada. I moved to Canada from California and even before becoming a permanent resident I needed to use the health service as a family member was sick. I will be forever grateful for the excellent service and zero cost at point of use even for my family as (tax paying) temporary workers. I'm now raising Canadian kids to do their part to pay back the system that saved their mother's life.


It's pretty wild. At one point, I forgot to renew my health card and had a bit of a fall that tweaked my wrist. I went to the clinic by my house and they warned me that I'd have to pay out-of-pocket for the services, but I could submit the receipt after renewing my health card and get reimbursed.

Doc felt my wrist, asked me to go to the radiology clinic next door for a digital X-Ray, and to come back to discuss what he saw on it. Doctor visit: $30, X-Ray: $30.

When the two options are: use your provincial health card or pay cash, costs can stay relatively low.


1: isn't that the business plan of most vc backed startups


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