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The one EU nation that has to buy the F-35B is the UK. Because we're building a couple of supercarriers without catapults, so they've got to field STOVL planes, and the government scrapped the Harrier fleet (the USMC bought the entire lot, gleefully) to prevent backsliding.

Notable complicating factor: Rolls Royce builds the lift fan for the F-35B. So panicky late attempts to cram cats into the CVs were cancelled after 3 months, because pork.

Meanwhile, the Eurofighter Typhoon was originally intended to be a carrier-capable fighter with an arrester hook and beefed up undercarriage, until France flounced from the consortium and went it alone with Rafale. An upgraded Rafale or a Typhoon derivative with carrier ops baked in would be entirely possible, cheaper than the F-35B, and vastly more effective as a fighter.



> The one EU nation that has to buy the F-35B is the UK. Because we're building a couple of supercarriers without catapults, so they've got to field STOVL planes,

Also Italy and Spain, for the same reason.


Do all these nations use STOVL-only carrier designs? I thought there were conventional take-off carriers as well...

Or were these fleets built from passed-on UK carriers?

Edit: Just did some research, and apparently the countries mentioned here (UK, France and Spain) are currently operating STOVL design carriers.


"Rolls Royce builds the lift fan for the F-35B"

I did wonder why the decision was made to go for the STOVL version of the F-35 when the new carriers are obviously large enough to support CATOBAR - that explains it perfectly!


STOVL is the right choice for the new carriers as it reduces the amount of practice that pilots will need to be able to take off and land on them. It wouldn't be possible to be as flexible with where the UK's F-35s will be based (land or sea) if all pilots needed to stay current at CATOBAR landings.


That excuse is marvellously surreal, in a "Yes, Minister" way.

"We are going to spend an extra $25M on each fighter, in order to save on training costs."

$3.5Bn (we're buying on the order of 138 of these turkeys: the F-35B, as required for the STOVL role, costs $25M more per unit than the F-35C or A) will buy you a lot of CATOBAR training.


We don't want pilots to have to spend all their time doing CATOBAR training.

I could see a mix of models being bought eventually with a lot fewer than 138 F-35Bs.


We seemed to manage OK with training in the days of the old Ark Royal (I vaguely remember the "Sailor" BBC series).




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