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I like basic income in principle, but I just don't see how it wouldn't (1) discourage people from joining the workforce (2) the prices of goods and services will still adapt to reflect supply and demand unless we can also increase things like housing, access to education, and healthcare.


Those are ok things. If we don't need people in the workforce, let them stay home and watch Survivor. And demand isn't changing, nor supply if we assume automation is the reason there's no jobs. Plenty of houses, plenty of goods, just no reason for people to be involved in making them. It used to be called Utopia; but these days we resist for some reason and call it Unemployment.


These issues have obviously been addressed by more knowledgeable people, but here is my understanding:

(1) people work out of pride, not necessity. if your only concern was sustenance you could live off of welfare or charity now. even with a basic income, people will still be motivated to work because they want to have nice things

(2) market forces will still apply. if you raise your prices because low income customers now have more money, I'll lower mine. barring cases of outright collusion, you'll see economic growth as opposed to rising prices

Basic Income is still a long way away, but it has been thought through. A practical implementation may or may not succeed, but it won't be because of fundamental flaws in the idea.


A few more points on top of these:

(1) The way jobs are valued would fundamentally change. Rather than higher wage work being the work that fewer people can do, you would also see a rise in cost for jobs that people do not want to do. Today you have your unskilled employees trapped between a rock and a hard place when you offer them a job as a burger flipper - work in wage servitude for us, or starve. The employer has a tremendous amount of sway during negotiations in an economy where employment is effectively mandated to survive.

Ask yourself - "why is McDonalds so cheap?" does it make any sense that having people working in depressing service jobs makes cheap food? Wouldn't the optimization of food be automated delivery, minimizing the people involved? McDonalds can only exist as it does today because all its employees are forced to work for it.

(2) You would also see production shift. Economics goes where the money is - we have too little low income housing and too many McMansions because single family houses are profitable and reliable when sold and low income housing is unreliable and less profitable. If everyone had a minimum of income, there would be a tremendous amount of economic pressure to meet the demands of that crowd that has maximal economic consistency in revenue. So in the short term prices would be a mess, but in the long term the equilibrium state would be that there would be a huge market to provide as much of what the UBI unemployed class wants as possible within their budget for profit.


1) Getting a job will let them buy more stuff then just staying at home collecting your gvmt checks.

2) Changing the minimum wage also adjusts the prices of goods and services but in the end it still ends up being a net positive for society. When the minimum wage is increased prices may go up at the same time but usually they don't completely cancel out the wage increase.


If you can buy people out of the workforce for so little money, they probably weren't being very productive anyway.


>I just don't see how it wouldn't (1) discourage people from joining the workforce

If it's the case that there simply aren't going to be enough jobs for everybody then this would be an intended outcome.


Why would we need people "in the workforce"? That's not even a futurist question; why do we need such a high labor participation rate today? Is there some stack of widgets going unmade we desperately need? Are we fighting a two-ocean war I didn't notice?

What won't last very much longer is this antiquated notion that two thirds of the adult population "should" be working. It should probably be more like 25% now, and that will only decrease. (NB: it could be 50% working half time, 75% working one-third time, etc.)

This notion of people having "jobs", and that being a normal thing, is fairly new in the story of H. sapiens (and it's only reaching parts of the developing world now, right as it's becoming obsolete).




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