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The average person would be blown away at how sloppy (and really non-existent) fact-checking has become in the Internet age. Most people on HN seem to be a little bit pessimistic about it, but it's likely way worse than you think. Of course, we know that random people retweeting garbage on Twitter aren't fact-checking, but I'm talking about the largest media organizations around -- they just don't care enough to check.

We don't need to look any further for this than ISIS. Not only is ISIS controlling the whole world's talking points by carefully crafting what news they'll release, but they're spreading stories all the time that are completely bogus. Look, for example, at this story about ISIS crucifying one of its own members for corruption: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/06/27/.... It all started with a tweet from a now-deleted Twitter account, because ISIS wanted to spread the idea of how intense they are and how strongly they fight their perceived evil. So they plant a story about how they crucified one of their own members. Every media organization knows that's free pageviews, so they report it.

But look at the feature photo in that story, which constitutes most of the "tip" from the tweet. Do a reverse image search and you find the original source: It's a Danish Roman Catholic reenacting Christ's crucifixion in the Philippines. http://d.pr/i/183Sf. The story of the ISIS crucifixion was made up out of thin air, based on a photo that was easily discoverable (and in the AFP database), but now the lie is in every mainstream media publication I can think of, from CNN and The Telegraph to The Guardian and the New York Times. They didn't even have time for a reverse image search. And ISIS wins.

A lot of what my startup does is fact-check stuff that's going on in the media (it's a newsroom for the Internet - https://grasswire.com), and every media organization (and I mean every) from Al Arabiya and the New York Times to Newsweek to Rolling Stone and New York Magazine are quite frequently full of inaccuracies and intentional lies. Sometimes people catch these lies, a few people freak out for <24 hours, and we all forget about it.

The notion that a publication's relevance is based purely on its accuracy is, in my opinion, false. We don't have the time or energy to process which media organizations we trust and which have mislead us, because, unless we're ruthlessly sitting behind a computer fact-checking stuff, we probably don't even know that they're making mistakes in the first place. For every one person The Daily Mail pisses off by publishing its false stories, 100 people are reading it and saying, "Wow, The Daily Mail does some daring reporting." Very few people care anymore -- we don't have time to.

In Trust Me, I'm Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator, Ryan Holiday talks about how easy it is to get lies to spread throughout the Internet, and thereby all of mainstream media. The premise is very simple. You find someone at the bottom of the press pyramid - the person responsible for putting out 4 or 5 articles a day so that his or her publication can get enough pageviews to stay alive. There's not a chance that person can do any sort of verification. You send them a "tip," get a few smaller blogs to write about it, and the snowball starts rolling.

These publications all read each other, and most of them just want to pick up stories from each other and ride the wave of whatever's going viral. That's not just cat videos; that's stories about ISIS and Russian fighters in Ukraine and what we consider "hard news." The stuff we all talk about in the United States is mostly driven by PR folks who are carefully planting stories that push their agenda forward. In most other countries it's even worse. Few of my Russian friends are even aware of the fall of the Rouble and the pending collapse of their own economy.

I don't know what the solution is (I'm trying to find/create one), and I don't want to pretend like this has only happened since the Internet came into existence, but I find most people put way too much trust in the press machine we've created. I would like to think that somewhere there are independent reporters and people who are digging up stories, but I've come to realize that most stories aren't ever dug up - they're pitched.




As we struggle through this point in our history of what news is, we must remember that journalism ebbs and flows on its integrity. Look back to the 1880's where yellow journalism was rampant (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Puck11218...) and could be faulted for the Spanish-American war.

Journalist and the newspapers they work for must find a way to get you the reader to part with your money to fund their enterprises. The online sites do this through link baiting, local newspapers do this through circulars/coupons and piggybacking onto the latest outrage (classifieds died when craigslist was created), and the TV stations rely on murders, perceived and actual racism (George Zimmerman's audio recording being doctored to appear racist) and missing children to get viewers.

The amount of time that it takes to properly source, investigate, corroborate, and expose a story is nothing compared to the piggybacking approach. Example 1 is the University of Virgina fraternity rape story: A single reporter writes up a fantastic expose on a UVA fraternity hazing procedure that includes an alleged gang rape, friends pleading to rape victim not to go to police, and a university system appearing not to care. The correct approach would be to interview the victim, the alleged perpetrators, the university, and the friends to get an idea. Each of these individuals must be contacted, a source found, agree to be a source and then be on record, this all takes time; if you estimate a week per source (very generous) and there are 15 must contact sources (those involved with the alleged gang rape and those friends), that is 15 weeks worth of just putting together information. Then write up the story, anywhere from one to two weeks. Get the editor and the ombudsman to sign off on the sources and information, one week. You have almost 20 weeks invested into a single article, for Rolling Stones that is 5 magazines before getting a single article. And then, at any point the story could turn out to be suspicious to bogus.

Now, be any of the TV shows / newspapers and you simply pull a Puffington Host and extract parts of the story and refer to them in snippets and viola, you save yourself 20 weeks of time and money. That is why the Ryan Holiday stuff is not too surprising.


In 1835, the New York Sun (a serious newspaper [0], 1833-1855) published some articles [1] describing alien civilizations on the moon that can be seen through a new telescope in South Africa.

From Wired,

> The Sun, ever the champion of the public good, claimed, no joke, that it was actually all a public service… to get the nation to stop worrying so much for a second about that whole slavery thing.

So, there are good journalists, bad journalists, "journalists" who aren't even journalists, and they've all existed since the birth of the printing press.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sun_%28New_York%29

[1] http://www.wired.com/2014/12/fantastically-wrong-thomas-dick...


Exactly - Look at the Serial podcast, I'd consider this one of the better pieces of journalism in the past few years. But it took her six months (maybe more?) and countless hours of research, investigation and interviews to produce. At the end of the day, this piece will do pretty well, but in those six months, The Huffington Post's on the internet have put out tens of thousands of articles garnering billions of ad impressions. Fortunately we're left with an extremely interesting story in Serial, but imagine if 2-3 months into all that hard work the whole thing fell apart? All that work for nothing? Not worth the risk for major publications.

No idea what the solution is here, very difficult problem.


To be fair, your two examples fill very different roles (daily news versus long-form nonfiction). Serial strikes me as closer to fiction or memoir than daily news.


Yeah, sorry wasn't clear in my original point that it's extremely tough to produce high quality investigative journalism when there's a far easier and more profitable model out there.


But truth is fleeting. Despite all Sarah's work on Serial, there is a possibility that some contradicting detail will emerge as some point in the future. Even the infamous Best Buy phones waver between fact and fiction.

To this point, it may be impossible to fully fact check an article to the point of certainty, but New York magazine could have at least done better.


Seems like it's ripe for an overhaul of journalism based on more scientific principles. Seriously, a business model where everything is vigorously fact-checked, sources cited, and reason applied. This form of news will be slower to print than the "shoot now, ask questions later" form of journalism we see today, but I think there is a real thirst for it in the market place.

I don't have the time or energy to sift through 10 metric tons of bullshit or spend three hours in my day doing my own investigation. I would prefer to hear the news a day late, but know it is well-researched and factual.

Make all of this super transparent and apparent. Make it very well known that your site will be slower, but more accurate, and that you rely on donations/subscriptions. Make it very well known that by supporting you, the readers are undermining the awful state the media is in and usurping the corporate/governmental tentacles in other forms of media.


What you are describing used to be the goal at respectable institutions. At some, it was even the norm. My dad was a copy editor for 25 years - this is what they do. Ask any of the thousands of professional copy editors laid off by city papers in the last 10 years; they would all be elated to do real work again.

The market has become to efficient to allow for a large staff of professionals who do slow, technically unnecessary work and don't contribute to revenue growth.

If you can find a way to pay for it, you win. But traditional newspapers have tried - their business depended on it - and none of them cracked it. So everybody laid off most of their staff and became a thinly veiled BuzzFeed.

I can tell you that there are hundreds to thousands of disgruntled idealistic professionals collecting unemployment/"freelancing" and if you offered them a decent middle-class salary to do their jobs again, they'd flock to you instantly.


This form of news will be slower to print than the "shoot now, ask questions later" form of journalism we see today, but I think there is a real thirst for it in the market place.

Unfortunately, I suspect you are wrong.


He's probably a bit optimistic if he means that there's a huge, mass-media-proportioned market for it. But he's not wrong if he means a small publication (or more likely, an individual journalist) can make a successful go of it. Consider the "1000 true fans" business model. It is entirely possible to earn a respectable, six-figure income doing independent journalism for a small, but loyal base of subscribers.

It's extremely hard work. The payoff/effort ratio is probably lower than the ratio on the kind of corporate job that someone smart and hard-working enough to pull it off can take instead. (And this is probably why you don't see legions of smart, hard-working people trying to do it.) But it's doable, and some people are doing it. They're doing it on a small scale, to a loyal niche.

I have my doubts as to the scalability of the model, i.e., building it out to support a multi-million-dollar business. Plenty of well-connected and well-funded people have tried. Some of the best journalists in the business have tried. A few of these people have very publicly failed. But I am inclined to think that there's a decent sweet spot out there. It's not big, but it exists.

Stranger things have happened, though. This is a crude analogy, but consider the success of a show like The Walking Dead. Ten years ago, if I'd have told you that a show about zombies on basic cable was going to be one of the most watched shows on all of television, you'd have told me I was insane. And all available data at the time would have supported your position. The truth is, TWD could not have been a hit 10 years ago, much less on AMC. Various supporting technologies make its success possible: Netflix, iTunes, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, VOD, and so forth. (Even DVR was in its early-adopter phase a decade ago.) Game-changers happen when the supporting infrastructure is in place to enable bright, risk-taking people to put the pieces together. For all I know, the conditions are in place to let someone find, address, and serve millions of people who are ready for "slow" journalism. It's an uphill battle, but I sincerely hope more people will strap on their climbing gear.


The problem is things like worldwide coverage, though - an individual journalist cannot provide great coverage everywhere.


Nor should he or she. The future of journalism may well belong to a lot of small, targeted publications (combined with some very productive individuals) serving effectively small paying audiences, but incidentally reaching a lot of other people through social distribution. In such a scenario, global coverage would be provided by specialists in the global news beat -- be they publications, or individuals choosing to specialize in that area.

No one journalist or publication will cover everything. The economics of trying to do that just don't work anymore.


Sounds like The New Yorker's model (along with Harper's, etc. though the NYer is probably most known for its rigorous fact checking department[0]).

[0] http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/02/09/checkpoints


Seems like it's ripe for an overhaul of journalism based on more scientific principles. Seriously, a business model where everything is vigorously fact-checked, sources cited, and reason applied

Like say the Encyclopaedia Brittanica.


I can't believe I'm doing this, but relevant XKCD. https://xkcd.com/978/ I fully agree that this is a problem, and social networks just make it worse.


>And ISIS wins.

Honest question: what exactly is ISIS "winning" by depicting their group as crucifying members that they couldn't accomplish by, say, actually crucifying members?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with essentially everything in your post; the planted stories, how virality works, the lack of any diligence in fact-checking, the state of modern media in general. I just don't understand your reasoning for ISIS wanting to plant the story, rather than some stupid teenager in Wisconsin.


It's not about ISIS crucifying or not crucifying its members; it's about ISIS constantly deciding exactly what we're talking about.

Most of ISIS's PR strategy would rightly seem insane to most of us, but ISIS wants to amplify how extremist they are. They want to be perceived as a group willing to do anything for their cause. With every story they're saying, "We are creating a perfect Islamic state, and nothing in our way will stop us. You should both fear and respect us."

There's an interesting PR term called "agenda setting." You can't dictate whether or not people agree with you, but you can decide which angle they're looking at you from.

The beheading of US journalists was completely intentional. They wanted us to be afraid of how ruthless they are. Now we're getting stories of "Teenage boy from country X left his family to join ISIS." That's just them recruiting.

The sad part of all this isn't that ISIS has a PR machine, but that we're so awful at detecting it, and that we let them get away with it even when it's made up out of whole cloth.


4th Generation warfare is mainly about legitimacy, particularly of non-state actors. ISIS is fighting to be seen as the legitimate representative of Iraq and a broader caliphate, and self-policing corruption furthers that goal.

I highly recommend reading Bill Lind's stuff on 4G warfare, which helps make sense of lots of things in modern warfare: why massive armies don't win wars, why the pentagon is infatuated with expensive technologies, why 4G combatants act the way they do, etc.


Can you recommend a good starting point?


If you can stomach some old-right cultural conservatism, "On War" is a collection of his essays during the first phase of the Iraq war:

http://www.amazon.com/War-Collected-Columns-William-2003-200...

You may be able to find them online in archive form too:

http://www.dnipogo.org/lind/lind_archive.htm


"If you can stomach some old-right cultural conservatism,"

Though just to make sure that doesn't overly turn off people it really shouldn't, bear in mind that this is the sort of 'old-right cultural conservatism' that, at least so far into my reading of the book, was unremittingly hostile about every aspect of the Iraq war, from its goals, how it was run, who was running it, and so on. It makes left-wing criticism of the war look anemic and bereft of detail by comparison.

I mean, I strongly recommend that a serious intellectual ought to with some frequency seriously entertain viewpoints that don't match their own anyhow, but I do feel it's worth pointing out that an anti-war left wing partisan will probably have less trouble with the book than that summary would indicate.


Absolutely.

One of the most interesting books I've read in the last year was Engels "Origins of the Family, Private Property & the State":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_the_Family,_Priva...

There is a lot of bat-shit crazy in there, but a lot of very interesting anthropology and ideas as well. Not that those are mutually exclusive.


My guess is ISIS has a public reputation they want to uphold which is an amplification of what they're actually doing. By planting the story they benefit from the extremist world view without having to actually commit the act that the story is about. Its also faster to make up a story and leak it than going out and actually finding corruption and do the act for real.


Control the conversation.


You're right, it didn't start with the Internet. But the arrival of the Internet, and the simultaneous dismantling of publishers' editorial checks, has amplified the trend.

It's also led to this weird reverberation effect, as false news is sometimes rediscovered and re-reported on secondary blogs, news sites, and forums. One example is this bogus quote, supposedly uttered by Mariah Carey:

"When I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world. I'd love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff."

In the summer of 1996, the quote appeared on a satirical news site and was re-reported as fact by MSM sources, including The Independent and the San Francisco Chronicle. Fifteen years later, the hoax was still being perpetuated by celebrity blogs and online forums.


I'm paying good money for NYT subscription, and I would easily pay a bit extra to have another party fact-check it. Say, $20 per year is a no-brainer.

You'd have to do it well, though - if you screw up, which you will on occasion , I expect a full report as to how it happened.


> I would easily pay a bit extra to have another party fact-check it

As would I, and likely many HN readers. But I expect most of the NYT subscribership who would be willing to pay extra are a small minority.


There are websites that fact check politicians, call them out on big lies, give them ratings etc. Why isn't there the same for mainstream news?


I don't know; I'm trying to create one (https://grasswire.com)


Probably because fact checking can be a time consuming, and therefore costly process, and by skipping it, mainstream news can push more "live feeds" (news from Facebook and Twitter), in an attempt to be First and Exclusive.

There is a negative ROI on research for the media, and thus they have no incentive to be accurate or factual, because consumers lap it up even when it is sensational, unbelievable, or just plain wrong.


http://fair.org

Who is going to pay for it?


Something similar happened with the story about 4chan supposedly threatening to release nudes of Emma Watson a few months back. That was started through a plausible-looking but completely fake news site run by the hoaxers, who also set up a website for the hoax. A few seconds Googling would've shown that the news site was fake - there were months-old articles linking it to the hoaxers behind it and explaining how they'd tricked the mainstream media before - but enough sites were willing to jump on the story based on that one bogus report on a fake site, and then their stories helped to convince the rest of the media to go with it, and soon everyone was reporting on it. Critical facts like the claim it was started by 4chan had literally no source other than the fake news site, but by the time it hit the major news sites they'd been thoroughly laundered of their source.


Pretty sure that the "hoaxers" were a PR firm trying to get 4chan shutdown.


They were a fake PR firm who made up a claim that they were trying to get 4chan shut down. It was hoaxes all the way down.


> But look at the feature photo in that story, which constitutes most of the "tip" from the tweet.

I'm late so I doubt you'll see this, but I don't understand what you're saying here. The Al Arabiya feature photo clearly states it's an AFP file photo. There are no references to a tweet, and certainly no direct claims that it's an actual photo of the executed man, or that it's their "source" for claims that ISIS crucified someone. Maybe they are giving too strong of false implications about the photo, but I don't follow your jump to "made up out of thin air" just because a file photo was used for illustration. I could agree the story sounds shaky, but not based on the evidence you gave here.


I would love to subscribe to a news outlet that did nothing but put popular stories under the microscope, fact-checking and even putting an uncertainty value of various facts - not just presenting them in black and white, and then putting the story into a larger context. e.g. here are the facts for this plane crash, but here are how many of this class of plane crash per year in the last x years, etc...

There would be lag, but maybe if they timed things right, they could be able to hit the final downslope of a story, becoming the best & last word.


NPR's "On The Media" has been doing this for decades. They have a podcast you can subscribe to for free. It's an hour each week and usually dissects the weeks news stories, often pointing out when the stories were completely wrong. You can find the podcast on iTunes or wherever you get podcasts from.


That sounds very interesting, I'll have to give that podcast a spin. Though I do wonder if it sounds too much about the process of the media, instead of a recalibration of the stories themselves. And I also worry about already getting too much of my news from NPR sources.


>but now the lie is in every mainstream media publication I can think of, from CNN and The Telegraph to The Guardian and the New York Times. And ISIS wins.

I've just been googling for a few minutes and I can't find it in any of those. Maybe it was and they took it down? The most mainstream source I could find that still has it is Yahoo news uk / IB Times (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/isis-militants-brutally-execute-co...)

I think the internet's power to debunk things must help a bit.


How do we know they really didn't crucify one of their members and the IT guy just got lazy with pics because the camera phone one was fuzzy?

I don't disagree with your overall point. My assumption since the invasion of Grenada was every domestic source was trying to mislead me. I listened to RCI, DW shortwave coverage of the invasion for 8 hours before the embargoed US networks mentioned it.

Today, I doubt there's any delta between domestic and foreign sources. RT is a propaganda organ, but I trust it more for US foreign policy coverage than US sources.


There's a general rule when trying to determine facts. The one making the claim has the burden of proof to prove it true. If you say you crucified someone, it's on you to show that you did that. If you're too lazy to take and release a reasonable photo, it's not on us to believe you actually did it. Same goes for bigfoot, UFOs, and reporting who won the Super Bowl.


In the west, true. In the salafist world, is it safe to make that same assumption wrt to media claims? Or would one be more suspect? Was Baghdad Bob the norm or an outlier?

If (questionably) they have such a lower bar for executing someone, why bother lying?

I'm reminded of the fall of Mosul (I think) where they just marched hundreds of locals to a ditch and started shooting. It was weeks of western media questioning whether it was fake or not until better vids/UN testimony appeared. I would guess that was probably because westerners could not conceptualize such a blatant slaughter.

Would Iraqis/Syrians be as suspicious?


Why link to an screenshot of the crucifixion story, and not the source itself? I was quite interested in taking a look at the original article.


Because you had to dig through the "slider" to get to the image being referenced, and I feared it would be confusing. Here's the original story http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2014/04/20/20...


What's your opinion on Infobitt? http://www.infobitt.com/


In defense of the mag, this kid did produce a forged bank statement. They didn't take just his word on it.


From the linked article. (Maybe a better headline would be "Stuyvesant kid has PR reps.")

> Where did Jessica Pressler come up with the $72 million figure?

I honestly don’t know. The number’s a rumor.

> She said ‘have you made $72 million’?

[I led her to believe] I had made even more than $72 million on the simulated trades.

At this point the PR reps jumped in with Law & Order style objections. A conference outside the room ensued. Back into the room came Mr. Islam.


The author's Twitter account is now protected, but when it was public yesterday she was tweeting about the bank statement:

"@helaineolen @felixsalmon @ReformedBroker We saw a bank statement confirming the eight figures, & I'm comfortable with what's in the piece"

— Jessica Pressler (@jpressler) December 15, 2014

Source: http://twitchy.com/2014/12/15/reporter-who-broke-bogus-72-mi...


Charismatic falsehoods are a real problem in the media, especially because they're usually connected to an underlying truth that they take down, as well, when they're shot down.

Take the UVa rape case. This sort of thing happens often (and definitely not just at UVa) and the perpetrators often get away with it, because they tend to come from upper-middle and upper-class backgrounds and have access to the best legal representation their parents can buy. It's disgusting. Unfortunately, the holes in this particular story are going to lead people to conclude that fraternity-house rape isn't a problem because this one case was "refuted" (even though it's not clear that it has been refuted, only that she recalled some of the details incorrectly).

The "boy genius" making $72 million is another charismatic falsehood. The underlying truth is that the upper classes aren't any smarter or more competent than the middle classes. We like being reminded of that, when a public-school student (granted, from one of the best public high schools in the world) beats the pants off the market. Sadly (?) it turns out this was achieved in simulation rather than with real money, and 'nemanja already addressed why it would be hard to pull off on the real market. Unfortunately, the rich twats who control all the social access and the jobs where one can actually have a $72M impact are going to read this story and conclude that "the poors are just dishonest".

Being somewhat of an expert on the startup career, I'm familiar as well with the aggressive use of charismatic falsehood that people have to use to advance their own careers and gain credibility/worthiness in front of investors. They concoct a story that is factually false but, as they see it, betrays an underlying truth (pertaining to their own competence). Unfortunately, if they get caught, it takes down (i.e. falsely refutes) the underlying truth along with the (usually small) lie.


"Sadly (?) it turns out this was achieved in simulation rather than with real money.."

Actually he says directly that he doesn't know where she got the $72M figure. He doesn't say in this interview exactly how much he would have made in simulation, only that "The simulated trades percentage was extremely high relative to the S&P". The point being that I don't see any evidence here to support that claim that he made anywhere near $72M even in a simulation.


> Take the UVA rape case. This sort of thing happens often

By "this sort of thing" you mean the violent premeditated (large) gang rape of a sober, unwilling victim as part of an official fraternity event? No, that does NOT happen often. It seems unlikely that it has ever happened even once outside of fictional stories. Which is exactly what made the claim newsworthy.

Think about the situation described - it implies that 9 (nine!) young men with everything to lose conspired to commit a felony act that could ruin all of them if discovered and believed - an act easily traceable back to them - and then released the victim knowing that nobody would ever believe her word over theirs AND knowing none of them would ever spill the beans.

This is a movie-plot threat.

The story is only plausible if you start out with the assumption that frat members are ALL an oddly incorruptible strain of pure mustache-twirling cartoon evil AND you also assume that "rape culture" values completely guarantee the woman wouldn't be taken seriously.

Whereas relaxing either assumption in favor of ordinary common sense renders the UVA story absurd.

> even though it's not clear that it has been refuted, only that she recalled some of the details incorrectly

She recalled ALL of the details incorrectly. Essentially every claim that could be checked has not borne out.


Just in case you are also trying to claim that your statement of "It seems unlikely that it has ever happened even once outside of fictional stories" applies to "gang rapes of a sober unwilling victim" as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape

P.S. Gang rape of a non-sober unwilling[0] victim is still rape.

0: gang rape of a non-sober unwilling is redundant. You can't have a "gang rape of a non-sober willing victim". Your bias is crystal clear, and you should probably see a psychologist as you are likely a danger to those around you.


> you should probably see a psychologist as you are likely a danger to those around you

Personal attacks are not allowed on Hacker News.


> Just in case you are also trying to claim that your statement [...] applies to "gang rapes of a sober unwilling victim" as well

I am assuredly not trying to claim that. The context of bros at an american college fraternity party was a necessary part of what made the claim an unbelievable (but newsworthy!) story.

(But hey, feel free to respond to more things I didn't say with irrelevant links, if inventing claims and attributing them to other people is what floats your boat!)

My chief crystal clear bias here is in favor of believing that most people who do terrible things that might result in large prison sentences don't want to get caught and this at least somewhat influences their behavior.


> Charismatic falsehoods are a real problem in the media,

No, printing false information is a real problem in the media.

Charisma is a whitewashing of the real problem - honesty in journalism. By failing to do the most basic topic research, or any fact checking of any kind, they are simply publishing falsehoods and lies in the name of profit. Essentially the same motivations that drive the issues above.


Fair enough. I wasn't implying that a falsehood being "charismatic" makes it OK for a journalist to print it. Sadly, it seems less likely to be checked when it's (a) reflective of a genuine truth (such as privileged frat bros getting away with sexual assault; UVa aside, it is a real problem) and (b) something that people want to believe ("we've finally caught one!") That doesn't make it right.

One of the problems with the tech press (and, increasingly, the mainstream press) is that it refuses to rise to the higher standard expected of a journalist. For private individuals to inflate their histories and reputations (using charismatic lies) is ethically OK, because one has to do it (paradoxically, and perhaps disturbingly) to gain credibility and trust in a world like Silicon Valley. Journalists, on the other hand, are supposed to cut that shit away and get to the facts. The problem is, with the tech press, that they value access (into a morally bankrupt sub-tract of the private sector, that will shut them out for any coverage other than effusive praise) more than doing their jobs.


Define "often" - rape rates have declined dramatically in recent years in the US, but you would not know it, judging by media-driven hysteria.

Let's go by the numbers, not by emotions:

The decline in rape since 1993: 60% [http://www.statisticbrain.com/rape-statistics/]


yes...at a lower level i believe its called "confirmation bias" and we are all guilty of it, no matter how hard we try.




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