> Some of the things I talked about, like Encrypted Media Extensions, were, for the most part, still a pipe dream with few to no working implementations.
Why would anyone dream about this DRM junk? Something to dream about is for example Daala codec which is supposed to arrive in 2015.
Also, is there any non patented and freely available technology for adaptive video streaming? Unless DASH is not patent encumbered.
The context is an article titled "HTML5 Video and the End of Plugins." For somebody who only cares about ending plugins, that quote makes sense. A majority of browsers will implement the spec plugin-free, and Firefox-based browsers will have a single sandboxed plugin with less power than an NPAPI plugin, which is the only realistic alternative.
> For somebody who only cares about ending plugins, that quote makes sense.
Replacing NPAPI plugin with some other DRM doesn't make anything better, whether it will be cooked into the browser or remain an external black box. Surely not something to dream about.
Except baking things into the browser is what the author's whole point is. The author doesn't care about black boxes. He cares about the end of plugins. He doesn't share your motivations.
You're like Stallman wondering why an llvm user would be excited about a new feature in clang. That user doesn't necessarily care about free software purity.
Or alternatively, you're like a Microsoft devtools user circa 2000, wondering what crazies would use something besides windows/asp.net for their web stack, since in the "real world", no one cares about that crappy free software stuff, they just want stuff to work, and don't care about theoretical lock-in to a slow-moving company, don't care about being unable to modify/improve/adapt their own tools, etc.
You don't care about "free software purity", but we're not talking about "impure" open-source software. The EME module is completely closed source, trade secret, subject to opaque negotiations between large private companies. It is in fact quite pragmatic to have a problem with it. If you want to put a browser on a sufficiently different platform, it won't be able to play most of the videos on the web, if EME becomes popular. Or, if there's enough resistance to it, and DRM on video eventually goes the way of DRM on audio (i.e. goes away), you'll have put a bunch of effort and contracts and such into something that only holds you back from offering the best experience (whether you make websites or client platforms).
All that said, I suppose it is better that the DRM is relegated to the smallest possible piece, and delivery, decoding, and presentation are possibly open to improvement by the client platforms.
So what's so good about cooking things into the browser? Is it a self goal? Regular issues with plugins are security risks and lack of trust. DRM inside the browser doesn't help it and doesn't solve it. I'd say the opposite, it becomes much harder to separate so it only increases the risk.
So the author can cheer for the abstract benefit of moving plugins in the browser, but actual benefit isn't explained, since it's actually not a benefit at all.
Hi there, I wrote this blog post, and I can assure you, as someone that works in the video industry EME is definitely something to dream about. DRM is absolutely, 100% a necessity if you want to deal with any content coming from anyone from whom you actually want their content.
I'm not a fan of DRM, but it's simply a reality of the industry. It's weird, but most content doesn't have the same liberal license as Big Buck Bunny :)
> So what's so good about cooking things into the browser?
Remember RealPlayer? Windows Media Player? Quicktime? DivX? Flash? You don't see the benefit in getting to deal with these things less as a developer and, more importantly, a user?
> You don't see the benefit in getting to deal with these things less as a developer and, more importantly, a user?
As a user you deal with trusting the code you run. I don't trust running any DRM blobs on my system. And it's irrelevant for Linux users anyway, since even if Firefox would for example enable EME, there is no Adobe DRM blob for Linux to work with it so the whole discussion doesn't even start there.
> DRM is absolutely, 100% a necessity if you want to deal with any content coming from anyone from whom you actually want their content.
No, thanks. They need the Web more than the Web needs them. So I'll use their services when they'll start treating users decently and not like criminals by default, shoving unethical preemptive policing in everyone's throat. I personally prefer to vote with my wallet, that's why I'm not dreaming about any DRMed services and clutches they need to function - I don't use them. So definitely EME isn't something that interests me in the least.
I either use DRM-free services like GOG, or buy video on disks which nominally has no DRM (i.e. DRM there is obsolete, thanks to libdvdcss and the like).
First of all, how in the world did we end up down the rabbit hole of the EME holy war? The EME comment was a tiny reference that ultimately had nothing to do with the point of the blog post...
You can do whatever you'd like with your wallet, but you live in a very different reality from most people. There's a reason why GOG can offer "Minecraft: The Story of Mojang" without DRM.
Again, this conversation has nothing to do with the actual blog post in question other than rabbling about something you disagree with. I disagree with you that EME is Satan's binary blob, but this is entirely irrelevant.
I'm not really criticizing the rest of the post. Just the EME part of it. And yes, that's my personal choice since I oppose DRM on many grounds (it's unethical, impractical, slows down the progress of technology and so on). And if we as users don't vote with our wallets, how else do you think this can be improved? Whether it's different reality or not, each one has personal responsibility for supporting or not supporting services which proliferate DRM.
In gaming sense GOG already broke quite a number of walls even with publishers who were usually viewed as thick skulled DRM proponents. Film industry however is one of the worst when it comes to this (it's older than the gaming industry in general so more legacy garbage and practices are attached).
Sadly, good, solid DRM (Here's an encryption key, an encrypted file, and a secure way for me to limit when and how you can use those) is the ultimate form of Snapchat.
If you don't have DRM backing it up, the scenario is "Here's a key, a locked box, do whatever you want with the decrypted file." Which is less secure than being able to actually limit usage of the decrypted file.
Nothing here implies that I think DRM is a good thing, mind you. I just think saying something is "just DRM", as if DRM wasn't basically encryption + limitations on use.
> a secure way for me to limit when and how you can use those
That would be having them access the file in a restricted environment (literally, guards and stuff). You can't have people accessing your secrets in the comforts of their own homes and at the same time not be able to reproduce them in some form – even if an exact duplicate of the original data would be infeasible to obtain.
It's the illusion of security.
The DRM contains the private key (because, well, you have to decrypt it, at some point). A motivated hacker will be able to get it, and decrypt the file for its own use.
No, as soon as you have some black box unauditable code, you shouldn't trust it for any such thing. And DRM by definition is hiding something from the user.
Why would anyone dream about this DRM junk? Something to dream about is for example Daala codec which is supposed to arrive in 2015.
Also, is there any non patented and freely available technology for adaptive video streaming? Unless DASH is not patent encumbered.