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Last but not least, never underestimate the ferocity and tenacity of the Serbs. The Ottomans and the Nazis sure learned their lesson.

So did the Bosnians, Croats, Kosovars, and Macedonians.



Macedonians have never been at war with Serbia. We have traditionally been allies, mostly because we share the same orthodox religion. I will assume you have limited knowledge of what really happened in Balkans in the end of 20th century, so I can only recommend reading some independent sources.

I also recommend actually being in a war and then reading about it in the media. You would be surprised how biased CNN, Fox and BBC were during the NATO campaign in Kosovo (well, maybe not so much surprised by CNN and Fox). I personally was greatly disappointed by the BBC - I viewed them as one of the rare media telling mostly truth, but it turned out the BBC way of supporting official British politics was turning the blind eye to all bad things that were being done by Muslims in Kosovo.

And also, in near future you will get to see what kind of regime NATO was defending in Kosovo.

As far as F-117 is concerned, funny thing is how in Serbia we were watching Discovery channel's praising "documentaries" about that aircraft, telling (years after 1999) how it has never been shot down by the enemy. Well go to Belgrade and you can see it displayed, you don't even need a visa for Serbia.

Western media is a great war machine, much greater than some "invisible aircraft". And you miked, are either a part of that machine, or a foolish follower of their praise.


And also, in near future you will get to see what kind of regime NATO was defending in Kosovo.

Why wait for the future... six months ago there was an affair regarding BND (German CIA) and Kosovo and this is what the German daily newspaper "Die Welt" writes about it. BTW, "Die Welt" is probably the most conservative newspaper in Germany and its reporting is actually quite pro-Kosovo-oriented. The subtitle "An act of revenge?" is most interesting for this discussion:

http://www.welt.de/english-news/article2806537/German-spy-af...


This discussion is getting way off the subject of HN. If there is any moderation, it would be nice to see it happen.


Moderation was nowhere in sight when Ted Kennedy's death was discussed ad nauseam here. If local (== US) politics didn't draw moderation I doubt international politics (war is an extension of politics?) will.

I completely agree with you btw. The rights and wrongs of any war (vs any technical hacks etc) are way off HN's focus. The suggested policy is apparently to flag any offending comments and keep quiet about it. How effective that policy is debatable.


Gee. Who would have ever suspected this kind of thread of drawing people off into a pointless debate...


You are ignorant. Go read about the Balkans, and come back when you are less ignorant. I used to be ignorant too, and cheered when NATO bombed Belgrade. One day I visited the Balkans and what the people there told me, made me change my mind completely.

I am for life and for human rights. I am not against the Serbs. I am against the Serbs who committed atrocities. Moreover, not all Serbs are the same. The ethnical salad bowl in the Balkans is mind-boggling. Superficial analyses are plain stupid in this case.


Then you should realize that Serbia was massacred by the Ottomans and they ruled over Serbia for ~450 years... I don't get your point of them learning their lesson?




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