pardon my french, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
this is not even remotely true, this is a trope, an outdated stereotype. oftentimes these kids come out socially maladjusted, suicidal and/or homicidal, or somewhere else on the human spectrum other than 'great'. this 'model minority' viewpoint is harmful in the extreme.
and for the past 20 or so years the 'restaurant' or 'dry cleaner' is more likely to be 'software company' or 'biotech company'. or even something mundane like "works for the port authority" or "imports couches from malaysia."
things have changed slightly since the 1960s, okay?
go to a University of California campus and ask how many of the thousands of asian kids you see if their parents owned a dry cleaner or a restaurant. you're going to either get laughed at, or punched in the face for asking offensive questions.
this is hackernews, i would expect a little bit more depth of thought than "asian immigrants own dry cleaners and their kids are so well behaved." are you SERIOUS?
> pardon my french, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Uh, I'm the child of asian immigrant parents and know tons of people who are also, so I do kinda know what I'm talking about.
> oftentimes these kids come out socially maladjusted, suicidal and/or homicidal, or somewhere else on the human spectrum other than 'great'.
Kids from all sorts of upbringings come out that way. Those are outliers. In my experience, kids from asian immigrant households are far less likely to suffer from more run of the mill maladies: aimlessness, lack of motivation, drug use that interferes with life, etc.
> this 'model minority' viewpoint is harmful in the extreme.
My super competitive east coast high school, which has a race-blind admissions system, has a freshman class this year that's 65% asian in a county that's only 18% asian. These kids are vastly disproportionately the children of relatively recent immigrants. Asian overachieving isn't an imagined phenomenon, and parenting style has a lot to do with it.
> and for the past 20 or so years the 'restaurant' or 'dry cleaner' is more likely to be 'software company' or 'biotech company'.
My comment was directed at asian immigrants who own dry cleaners and restaurants, it doesn't presume that all asian immigrants own dry cleaners and restaurants.
> go to a University of California campus and ask how many of the thousands of asian kids you see if their parents owned a dry cleaner or a restaurant.
Most of the asian kids at UCB aren't the children of recent immigrants (California has a very large well-assimilated asian population). Most children of recent asian immigrants aren't at UCB.
yeah, me too, and LOTS of my personal anecdotal evidence is 180 degrees opposite to yours, which is my point. you are describing the upper elite of our demographic group (of which i am also a member) as somehow the mode or the mean for 'asians', and i am cautioning you against that.
it's really easy to be 'proud' of achievement and cheerlead and go "look at us aren't we great" but you need to be aware of selection and survivor bias, especially in the context of your elite east coast schooling which you prattle on about so boastfully.
during my life i have known plenty of underachieving cokehead rich kid asians and struggling yet intelligent lower class inner city asians.
> you are describing the upper elite of our demographic group (of which i am also a member) as somehow the mode or the mean for 'asians', and i am cautioning you against that.
I'm not describing it as the mode or the mean. I'm saying that, per my anecdotal experience, asian kids at any given income level are less likely to turn out with serious problems than other kids at the same income level.
> it's really easy to be 'proud' of achievement and cheerlead and go "look at us aren't we great"
I'm not cheerleading. I don't even identify as "asian" in any meaningful sense. My point is to address the myth that raising good kids means sacrificing your time to go to their school plays and little league games and whatnot. I use asians as an example not to cheerlead, but because that myth is far less prevalent among immigrant asian parents.
> especially in the context of your elite east coast schooling which you prattle on about so boastfully.
There's nothing elite about it, it's a public school. I mention it because: 1) it's got a race-blind admissions system, unlike elite colleges, so the asian population isn't artificially deflated; 2) it's a pretty stark example of asian over-representation, in a county where the median household income for asians, while high, is actually less than that for whites by a substantial margin. I also specifically mention the "east coast" part, because in my experience east coast asians are far less assimilated than west coast asians, as there is a far smaller population of asians who have been in the U.S. for generations.
Again, this article was a criticism directed at Sheryl Sandberg, implying that she gave her kids a compromised upbringing by not making them her only priority. And I think that's a load of crap.
pardon my french, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
this is not even remotely true, this is a trope, an outdated stereotype. oftentimes these kids come out socially maladjusted, suicidal and/or homicidal, or somewhere else on the human spectrum other than 'great'. this 'model minority' viewpoint is harmful in the extreme.
and for the past 20 or so years the 'restaurant' or 'dry cleaner' is more likely to be 'software company' or 'biotech company'. or even something mundane like "works for the port authority" or "imports couches from malaysia."
things have changed slightly since the 1960s, okay?
go to a University of California campus and ask how many of the thousands of asian kids you see if their parents owned a dry cleaner or a restaurant. you're going to either get laughed at, or punched in the face for asking offensive questions.
this is hackernews, i would expect a little bit more depth of thought than "asian immigrants own dry cleaners and their kids are so well behaved." are you SERIOUS?