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Alleged drug vessels. Any proof there were drugs on those boats? Do we even know who has been on those boats?




Enough evidence to be suspicious. Not enough evidence to be sufficient for what is required to convict and sentence for a crime, that is beyond a reasonable doubt.

One would hope the latter is required, before going through with an execution.

In reality, most likely these are legit drug traffickers but being used as pawns for geopolitics rather than a meaningful attempt to curb drug use.


Most likely, these are human traffickers, second most likely, they are gold traffickers, third most likely they are drug traffickers. Or maybe some of them are just fishermen, which is actually more likely than all the previous cases.

If you take a look at submarines like this one they blew up

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1153966324414...

They are almost always used as narco trafficking. However, we only know that is usually the case, not that this particular one was used for that purpose.

There are a handful of civilian legal use submarines of this form and submersibles used for tourist and science purposes, however if a scientist or tourist rich enough to fund recreational submarines were killed it's likely the family would have come forward by now.


What evidence? Have any links? Do we even know their names? No? (The government even admitted they don't know who they've killed). Strange, huh.

How can we have enough evidence to know these people deserve to die for drug crimes when we don't even know who they are?

The few people who survived, we just released them. No charging them with crimes, no courts, just sending them on their way. If they were really hardened drug criminals with enough evidence to murder everyone else around them, how were we not able to charge them with any crime?


> Enough evidence to be suspicious.

How do you know that? They haven't released any evidence. I don't think they've shared any with Congress.


This is basically you re-iterating that you don't find narco-submarine type vessels as suspicious for drug trafficking. Because I have already posted the video[], but rather than anyone respond to that they just ignore it.

I'm not going to argue you're wrong. Suspicious is subjective, and possibly even semantic. However, such vessels of this form are mostly used for drug trafficking, and occasionally for tourism or science. But we've heard nothing but crickets in regards to families of scientists or tourists. I'm left suspicious it was probably a narco submarine, which as I've repeated several times, in no way is trying to justify execution or even state I know for sure what the narco-submarine appearing vessel was.

[] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45790330


Ok, so that's one boat. I imagine that case likely had drugs. How about the other dozen or so?

And it sounds like you mostly agree, but to me being in a kind of vehicle that often has drugs on board isn't enough reason to me to be murdered.


They're not being murdered because they have drugs.

They're being murdered because they're likely to be perceived as an unsympathetic target and a way to escalate hostilities with Venezuela.

No one in the know could possibly think pot shots at a few vessels has any meaningful impact on the drug trade.


what evidence though? none has been produced.

Evidence for example of visual surveillance of submarines (sister comment reply) in form that are usually used as narco submarines, with no victim coming forward for their rarer occasional use (tourism or science).

Someone has pointed out gold, people smugglers, and fisherman could be explanations but I don't think such submarine is suitable for much but the gold smuggling case there.

It is suspicious, that is all. Most time these form of submarine are used, it is to transport narcotics. Coast Guard has boarded many of them, this almost always the case.

Is it proof they are guilty beyond reasonable doubt? No

Do I think they deserve to die based on evidence? No

Hell, I'm not arguing we should even do anything about it.

If my cousin Niko was spotted on one, I would have questions, because it's suspicious. I wouldn't conclude he needs executed.


board the vessels, arrest the sailors, produce the drugs. that’s the just way. this is just a prelude to invasion and/or regime change so US capital can grab the oil. (I assume you agree based on your comment)



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