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There is absolutely a market for social media that bans AI slop. People in general don’t want the slop, but it’s seeping in everywhere with no easy way to mass remove.

The problem with the linked product is it’s basically DRM with a baked in encryption key. And we have seen time and time again that with enough effort, it’s always been possible to extract that key.





The problem about DRM in this context is not that it's going to get broken (which is probably true if the product becomes sufficiently mainstream). It will be used to target photographers and take away their rights. With today's cameras, you have (at least in theory) some choice how much of your rights you give away when you give the pictures your took to someone else. With DRM in the camera, you'll likely end up with some subscription service, ceding a lot of control to the camera makers and their business partners.

Respectfully, I completely disagree.

People "at large" absolutely don't care about AI slop, even if they point and say eww when it's discussed. Some people care, and some additional people pretend they care, but it just isn't a real issue that is driving behavior. Putting aside (for now) the idea of misinformation, slop is socially problematic when it puts artists out of work, but social media slop is just a new, sadder, form of entertainment that is generally not replacing the work of an artist. People have been warning about the downfall of society with each new mode of entertainment forever. Instagram or TikTok don't need to remove slop, and people won't care after they acclimate.

Misinformation and "trickery" is a real and horrific threat to society. It predates AI slop, but it's exponentially easier now. This camera, or something else with the same goal, could maybe provide some level of social or journalistic relief to that issue. The problem, of course, is that this assumes that we're OK with letting something be "real" only when someone can remember to bring a specialty camera. The ability of average citizens to film some injustice and share it globally with just their phone is a remarkably important social power we've unlocked, and would risk losing.


Saying that there is a market for a sane social network does not means it's a market as big as the other social networks. You don't have to conquer the world to have a nice product.

> The ability of average citizens to film some injustice and share it globally with just their phone is a remarkably important social power we've unlocked, and would risk losing.

I'd say we've already mostly lost that due to AI. We might gain it back if cryptographic camera signatures become commonplace (and aren't too easy too crack).


> People "at large" absolutely don't care about AI slop

I fear, your statement is impossible to be denied its validity, when "Tung Tung Tung Sahur"-Trading-Cards and "Tralalero Tralala"-T-Shirts are a thing.


the majority of "Italian Brainrot" enjoyers are probably not old enough to be on social media regardless

"People "at large" absolutely don't care about AI slop"

I think this is true. In general I think enough population of the market actually does not care about quality as long as it exceeds a certain limited threshold.

There's always been market for sub-par product. That's one of the features of the market I think. You can always find what is the cheapest, lowest quality offering you can sell at a profit.


Also the inversed incentive problem: the less people think it can be done, the more value in doing it.

That said in theory TPMs are proof against this: putting that to the test at scale, publicly, would be quite useful.


> There is absolutely a market for social media that bans AI slop.

I fully agree, I just don't know how that could work.

I think GenAI will kill the internet as we know it. The smart thing is (and always has been) to be online less and build real connections to real people offline.


There’s an assumption on HN that everyone can identify AI slop because pretty much everyone here can. But my personal experience and what I think might be more in line with reality is that the majority of social media users can’t tell or don’t care.

> People in general don’t want the slop

True.

> There is absolutely a market for social media that bans AI slop.

There’s a market for social media that bans slop, period. I don’t think it matters how it was made.

Also, that market may not be large. Yes, people prefer quality, but (how much) are they willing to pay for it?




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