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> on top of C.

If we're referring to the "C is a subset of C++" / "C++ is a superset of C" idea, then this just hasn't been the case for some time now, and the two continue to diverge. It came up recently, so I'll link to a previous comment on it (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45268696). I did reply to that with a few of the other current/future ways C is proposing/going to diverge even further from C++, since it's increasingly relevant to the discussion about what C2y (and beyond) will do, and how C code and C++ code will become ever more incompatible - at least at the syntactic level, presuming the C ABI contains to preserve its stability and the working groups remain cordial, as they have done, then the future is more "C & C++" rather than "C / C++", with the two still walking side-by-side... but clearly taking different steps.

If we're just talking about features C++ has that C doesn't, well, sure. RAII is the big one underpinning a lot of other C++ stuff. But C++ still can't be used in many places that C is, and part of why is baggage that features like RAII require (particularly function overloading and name mangling, even just for destructors alone)... which was carefully considered by the `defer` proposals, such as in N3488 (recently revised to N3687[0]) under section 4, or in other write-ups (including those by that proposal's author) like "Why Not Just Do Simple C++ RAII in C?"[1] and under the "But… What About C++?" section in [2]). In [0] they even directly point to "The Ideal World" (section 4.3) where both `defer` and RAII are available, since as they explain in 4.2, there are benefits to `defer` that RAII misses, and generally both have their uses that the other does not cleanly (if at all) represent! Of course, C++ does still have plenty of nice features that are sorely missing in C (personally longing for the day C gets proper namespaces), so I'm happy we always have it as an option and alternative... but, in turn, I feel the same about C. Sadly isn't as simple to "just use C++" in several domains I care about, let alone dealing with the "what dialect of C++" problem; exceptions or not, etc, etc...

[0]: https://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG14/www/docs/n3687.htm [1]: https://thephd.dev/just-put-raii-in-c-bro-please-bro-just-on... [2]: https://thephd.dev/c2y-the-defer-technical-specification-its...



> this just hasn't been the case for some time now

Which I find sad actually. The idea of C++ as a superset of C is really powerful, especially when mixing C and C++. A while ago I had a C project (firmware for a microcontroller) and wanted to bake the version and the compilation time into the firmware. I didn't find a way to do this in plain C, but in C++ you can initialize a global struct and it gets statically linked into the output. This didn't even use constexpr, just preprocessor trickery. Then it was just a matter of renaming the c file to cpp and recompiling. I guess you could also do that with C, but there are things like RAII or constexpr or consuming a C++ library that you can't do without.


> wanted to bake the version and the compilation time into the firmware. I didn't find a way to do this in plain C, but in C++ you can initialize a global struct and it gets statically linked into the output. This didn't even use constexpr, just preprocessor trickery.

I might be misunderstanding here, but if you are okay with preprocessor trickery, then it's doable.

I do this routinely in the Makefile, which (very tediously) generates a build_info module (header and implementation) that is linked into the final binary: https://github.com/lelanthran/skeleton-c/blob/8e04bed2654dac...


> I didn't find a way to do this in plain C

Not sure what you were running into. I routinely do this just fine.

> This didn't even use constexpr, just preprocessor trickery.

Isn't the preprocessor shared between C and C++?

> in C++ you can initialize a global struct and it gets statically linked into the output

That sounds to be doable just the same in C?


> But C++ still can't be used in many places that C is

Unless we are speaking about PICs or similar old school 8 and 16 bit CPUs, with compilers like those from MIKROE, there is hardly a platform left were the vendor compiler isn't C and C++ (even if it doesn't go beyond C++11).

And if it must be deployed as freestanding, there are still enough improvements to take advantage of.

In the end it boils down to human factor in most cases, however as Dan Saks puts "If you're arguing, you're losing.", taken from

CppCon 2016: “extern c: Talking to C Programmers about C++”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Sd8A6_fYU


> personally longing for the day C gets proper namespaces

I think in the spirit of C, this should go into the linker, not in the compiler.


Or you can use objcopy --prefix-symbols=Namespace .


among the people that refuse C++ and stick to C, very few are willing to look at C23.




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