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Trump administration set to tie Tylenol to autism risk, officials say (washingtonpost.com)
22 points by almog 49 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 25 comments



I'm reminded of the ending of Terry Pratchett's Monstrous Regiment, where a nation's god is revealed to have died, and 'his' recently announced additions to the list of banned things (rocks, ears and accordion players) was produced only by the collective anxiety of that god's remaining worshippers.


Johnson & Johnson is not a friendly medicine company. They have a long history of causing and suppressing information about harms in their products. It's quite likely that they were responsible for the Tylenol contamination scare decades ago.[0]

Aside from that, acetaminophen had always been a dangerous drug to hand out willy-nilly. It's a major cause of overdose poisoning and is known to damage the liver. How was it ever approved in the first place? I'd say the same way as J&J's other products. It made up half their profit for most of its product life.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/No-More-Tears-Secrets-Johnson/dp/0593...


I thought this would be Trumps bleach and cillit bang kind of stuff, but the following is some very convincing evidence (assuming its not fabricated).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/...


Identified the cause and a drug product which can treat it? Surely nobody was front-running these announcements.


> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folinic_acid

> used to decrease the toxic effects of methotrexate and pyrimethamine

> Pyrimethamine [...] is a medication used with leucovorin (leucovorin is used to decrease side effects of pyrimethamine; it does not have intrinsic anti-parasitic activity) to treat the parasitic diseases toxoplasmosis and cystoisosporiasis

OH ffs! Brain worms again?!

These people are very unserious people in serious positions of power.


I _still_ don't get the fixation on autism.

Is that even in a rational top 10 of any category of problems? Let alone "health"?


Moral panic among Boomer grandparents in reaction to escalating prevalence took root in conservative echo chambers.

The escalating prevalence is worthy of study, but yeah, there's a social/political fixation.


Why exactly does the president of the USA announce scientific stuff?


Scientific?


Is it one of his fever dreams? I don't know. The whole situation is weird in all angles


Government via tick tok viral health advice.

Doctors hate it!

(and they should...)


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You'd also be censored from selling cigarettes in packaging that promises they'll be healthy for your lungs.

We live in a world that needs to have rules, it's absolutely unavoidable. The people awkwardly trying to set the boundaries of the rules preventing you from saying cigarettes are healthy are helping you more than the people trying to lie to you about cigarettes. Save the histrionics for the latter group.


I think you should trust the advice based on science.


> many of the early covid vaccine shots caused blood clots and killed people

No. “Many” is the absolute wrong qualifier here. By mid 2024, over 13 billion doses of vaccine had been administered. I don’t know what number of people died of blood clots as a result, but I am very sure that it’s not “many”. I’d hazard a guess that the number may not even be “statistically significant” (though that sounds really cold and harsh).


I remember when my wife was pregnant, she was talking about vaccines and how she had patients coming in and mentioning how many women had miscarriages after a vaccine.

The number was a big scary number… but actually no different than just the regular miscarriage rate.


[0] has 5718 deaths from 324m vaccine doses (0.002%). [1] has "around 10.5 per million first doses administered" (0.001%). [2] has "out of more than 18 million people who got J&J, 60 cases of TTS were reported" (0.0003%).

These numbers are likely underreported but even if you bump them by 2 orders of magnitude, they are still extremely small percentages.

[0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10423859/

[1] https://www.publichealth.hscni.net/sites/default/files/2021-...

[2] https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-...


Macro-economics, military science, cryptocurrency, and now medical science! Is there nothing that Trump can't do, and do well? Think about the outcry that would have happened if Obama or Biden had made a medical announcement like this. The congressional hearings, editorials, and news analysis would have been deafening. Truth to tell, that would have happened even for G.W. Bush. But if Trump makes a decision, there's a little factual reporting, there's no wasteful court cases, no hearings, no media outcry. Relaxing and efficient!


Given Trump's horrid track record with Covid treatment advice, which has been linked to thousands of deaths, why would anyone listen to this man regarding any medical advice?


Are you asking why?

Because he is the president.


As we've learned, it matters less if you're correct than if you're first and loud.


How convenient, a drug the entire population has taken is the cause, and they are ready and waiting with a cure to sell.

I’m highly skeptical of all of this.


It's most likely based on the findings discussed here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41574-021-00553-7


J&J "sold" Tylenol, and its long tail of liability, to a spinoff entity that now does not have enough cash to buy Trump off. It will probably simply disappear; the doctors will not go to bat for it.


I eagerly await more AI slop that references studies that have never existed. Or, as this administration calls it, "science."




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