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This was me. I was browsing Hamas' Telegram account as they released the FPV videos that day. The two most disturbing scenes were the pantless body of a teenaged girl being burned amidst chanting of "Allahu Akbar", and militants scouring buildings for any person or pet they could kill and doing just that whenever they found someone.

I learned a very uncomfortable—though valuable—lesson about humans that day.



Then you must surely be learning something new about humans every day since?


Yeah, that never happened.


And why in the world do you think it didn't? I haven't seen the particular video he's referring to but I've seen enough that I do not find his claim unreasonable.

Remember that 47 minutes of video Israel was screening for reporters but did not release? They've gotten permission from some of the families and have released part of it. You definitely see people being killed on camera.

And the really important part isn't the video itself, but that it's stuff that Hams people chose to post on social media. Something to be cheered, not a horror.


Because it would be in the Hamas-massacre.net site if it was real. That's an IDF run site. They can't even confirm any rape victims on that site. They only have non-confirmed allegations on that site.

And, no, they didn't get permission from any of the other victims families to publish on that site.

So, the IDF literally has no direct confirmation of rape.


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this is a baseless conspiracy. There is an entire report going over the operational failures that allowed oct 7th to happen and it wasnt the idf intentionally standing aside to let it happen. Also friend fire is predicted to be in the single digits and I dont think any has actually been confirmed.


Read the UN fact-finding report, particularly starting at page 44 ("Israeli Security Forces counter-offensive and the application of the ‘Hannibal Directive"): https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/a-hrc-...

It's true that the casualties of the Israeli counter-offensive can only conclusively be tied to ~20-30 casualties, but for many casualties it's unknown who is responsible, and there is (inconclusive) evidence Israeli fire resulted in the burning of 77 vehicles, many of which were returning to Gaza with captives (or their bodies)

It seems unlikely to me there were fewer than 80 civilian casualties (out of 815) attributable to friendly fire, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that number is over 200.


They shot a building with a tank where Hamas was holding hostages, maybe there wasn't a good solution but blowing up their own citizens without trying is pretty bad. And we don't really know the extent of what happened that day as no independent people were allowed and Zaka cleaned it up quickly. Zaka is an ultra orthodox right wing volunteer organisation and its probably who started the false burned babies story. And then we have the Hannibal directive so its not like Israel is not accustomed to killing their own.




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