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Yeah, it's a mystery why they don't vote for those folks...

The Biden Administration Is Still Banning White Farmers From Federal Aid - https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/20/the-biden-administratio...



Yeah I can see how this leaves a bad taste. A few bullets I found interesting while looking into this:

1. It was repealed in (also the Biden admin's) IRA about a year later

2. The argument for special programs for racial minority farmers is that only 1% of COVID aid for farmers went to minority farmers, largely because such aid was dolled out based on existing holdings/historical output. Minority farmers have been excluded from USDA development programs for generations now, so their holdings/output left them unable to benefit from from the COVID aid

Altogether seems like a reasonable problem to try to solve, but not a good way to solve it, and it's good that it got repealed ~14 months later for a race-blind version of the same program.


There is always nuance, but that never matters because the headline is all people see and that makes them angry. “Help for 1% of minority farmers” isn’t as juicy and doesn’t further an agenda.


There's a million other similar incidents:

The city is training white municipal employees to overcome their “internalized racial superiority.” - https://www.city-journal.org/seattle-interrupting-whiteness-...

Pennsylvania launched business grants that excluded white-owned businesses* - https://web.archive.org/web/20241218025310/https://dced.pa.g...

FAA turned away applicants based on (white) race - https://www.wsj.com/articles/affirmative-action-lands-in-the...

Illinois runs a scholarship that excludes white applicants - https://www.ibhe.org/dfiapplicant.html

Biden calls white supremacy ‘most dangerous terrorist threat’ in speech at Howard - https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/13/biden-howard-univer...

And while government excludes and demonizes them, whites are not even allowed to leave without condemnation and legal threats (only threats so far) - https://www.tmz.com/2025/07/24/arkansas-attorney-general-sla...

At some point you just have to believe them when they tell you who they are.


1. Seattle: The training was optional. Seems not that crazy to offer?

2. Pennsylvania: There are all sorts of programs designed to combat specific problems -- in this case the program was designed to counteract the fact that certain racial groups have been excluded from financial services for a long time. Would you characterize an aid program that only serves veterans to be discriminatory against non-veterans?

3. FAA: You should probably not cite an op-ed as a source, let me know if you'd like to provide another

4. See point (2)

5. Biden was citing the FBI itself, which at the time was led by Trump appointee Chris Wray [https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2023-12-05_-_...]

6. You're lamenting that people get legal threats for creating obviously discriminatory white-only towns? Welp, thanks for outing yourself.

Indeed, at some point you just have to believe them when they tell you who they are.


> The training was optional. Seems not that crazy to offer?

Crazy or not, if someone starts giving training on how you, specifically can try to be less of a monster, it's reasonable to assume that someone doesn't like you very much.

> You should probably not cite an op-ed as a source

Here's another source, if the Wall Street Journal is too unreliable for you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42944203

> creating obviously discriminatory white-only towns

Oh, this doesn't count as "combating a specific problem"? Diversity is so great it must be mandatory?

Anyway sure you can keep trying to explain this obvious trend away with sophistry, but don't be surprised when others don't stick their heads in the sand with the same enthusiasm as you.


You don't know what an op-ed is, do you? Look it up! Here, you can type this into your favorite LLM:

"what's the difference between an article published by Wall Street Journal and an op-ed published by Wall Street Journal in terms of their expected journalistic quality?"

Re the training: did it have anything to do with being a monster, or was it about identifying and counteracting subconscious biases?

Do you think subconscious biases don't exist? Do you think having them intrinsically makes you a monster?

Re the white-only towns: nobody said diversity is mandatory. Where are you getting that idea?

Don't worry, despite the political climate today, people bummed out about the difficulty of creating whites-only towns are few and far between. In a few years you'll be ashamed of your views just like you were a few years ago, and as you should be.


> Re the white-only towns: nobody said diversity is mandatory. Where are you getting that idea?

You:

> obviously [racially] discriminatory white-only towns

I'm sure I don't have to explain that racial discrimination in housing is illegal under civil rights law. So it's "not mandatory", just doing anything to directly avoid it is illegal. Anyway this is all the tactical ignorance I'm willing to suffer - goodbye.


"Diversity is mandatory" means that you are required to add additional people who are diverse.

"Diversity is forbidden" means that you are not allowed to add additional people who are diverse.

"Diversity is allowed" -- which is how a free country operates -- is what we have today.

Tactical ignorance indeed ;)


"Of course salt water isn't mandatory! You're just not allowed to stop the salt trucks when they come to salt your fresh water. If no trucks come on their own, the government will hire some [1]."

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_Me_a_Hero


Yeah, you're not allowed to prevent people from buying land near you because of their skin color. Why is this a problem?

Can't you just say "I'm racist and I don't like it" so we can move on? There's nothing deeper at play here.


> Biden was citing the FBI itself

He chose what to cite, and there's a reason he chose the figure that can most easily be massaged by picking and choosing what counts as terrorism and what doesn't, vs. something objective, like homicide rates.


Probably because homicide rates have been going down for decades (with a slight COVID bump which has since diminished) while domestic terrorism rates have been going up for the last several years.

I think it's clear based on your advocacy for a whites-only town what you're trying to get at here, but the data doesn't bear it out. Homicide isn't a growing emergency. Domestic terrorism is. That's why the FBI focused on it.


Something negligible has slightly increased, vs. something pervasive has slightly decreased. Clearly the thing that increased is more important!


@g0rk why is terrorism considered so bad even though in absolute terms the number of deaths is far below accepted things like homicides, car crashes, or even falling down stairwells?

Give it a shot!


Oh they could probably swallow one specific program. The problem is that entire side of the political spectrum (not just the Democratic party itself) considers them somewhere between second-class citizen or outright enemy. Another example:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gz4GMoOW0AAC5M5.jpg


As a straight, white, male I don't really feel that I'm a second-class citizen nor the enemy. Have you considered getting off Twitter for a while?

It's not clear to me the federal judiciary should match the composition of the population of lawyers as opposed to the composition of the people whom they judge.

In fact as you can see here, Obama appointed people largely similar to what you'd expect to see in the population (without bothering to look into specific geographies). It was Trump who was wildly aberrational. In fact even more aberrational than Biden, who at least has the believable rationale of trying to rebalance the courts after Trump took such a pro-male (76%!!) and pro-white (85%!!) approach.

For context, the US is <50% male, and about 60% white.

https://www.acslaw.org/judicial-nominations/diversity-of-the...


... from a specific federal aid program.




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