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This makes me think that the Chinese model where a company beyond certain size simply becomes a branch of the government actually does have decent upsides. Of course I don't have any specific suggestions about the process of transfer of power and we shouldn't judge the Chinese companies from the point of view of western liberal ideals, but my point is, imagine Gmail, Android and YouTube being public services maintained by the government. Like, from technological point of view, these services are virtually solved, there's nothing much to do to improve them besides basic maintenance, which is exactly what government is great at. Moreover, being public service, we'd accept better quality even if it's a money sink, instead of bitching about endless ads and slop and dark UI patterns and bad customer service. Meanwhile let the private companies innovate in areas that truly do need invitation.


>Like, from technological point of view, these services are virtually solved, there's nothing much to do to improve them besides basic maintenance

Revert the UI to how it looked 10 years ago, remove the recommendation algorithm, and probably a few other improvements would be quite welcome.


> This makes me think that the Chinese model where a company beyond certain size simply becomes a branch of the government actually does have decent upsides

Have you seen recent US governments?


There is a mistaken assumption here that government will ever do anything better for tech products.


The government is at least far more accountable to the people. Certainly, it could be a lot more accountable than it is, it’s very far from ideal. But it’s something.


How is the Chinese government accountable to it’s people given the track record of killing those people who disagree with it?


If they fuck up enough they wind up with heads on spikes.

That seems quite unlikely in the tech industry.


I wonder what Luigi thinks about this


It is the least accountable to the people organization possible. Solving problems via government is akin to shooting drones with a cannon. No feedback mechanism, long terms with no elections, unlimited distribution of your money to people that are their buddies.


> No feedback mechanism, long terms with no elections, unlimited distribution of your money to people that are their buddies.

Privatization has all these same problems. The only difference is none of it is considered bad or illegal.


> long terms with no elections

In the US at least members of Congress have terms of two years. How much shorter could they get?


Yes, and it aligns with my experience. It takes a while, but it works. My home country created an app where I can have legally valid ID and driving license. When the coronavirus hit most of the infrastructure for the vaccination certificates was already there. The one where I live in now created a website where tax report boils down to a series of easily understandable questions, and most users will just click "next next next send". Train company has an app that allows me to check the timetable very easily.

I really fail to see why a mid-sized government would be incapable of providing basic email service.


Exactly. Look at railroads in the USA… For instance.


I think the term "Robber Baron" applies quite well to big tech.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18F

we had an agency that was actually doing this, and fairly well by most accounts. it was shut down by the Trump administration.

never forget that we can have nice things, if we don't let people take them away from us.


Government divisions ignore ethics & morality all the time if it's politically inconvenient, and what is even worse is since they are the government, they are immune from most criminal and civil prosecution! Using the PRC as a bastion of morality isn't good idea either. (watch as I get pro-PRC troll replies)

Be careful what you wish for!


Atleast in China they have to option to give CEO's the death penalty if they step out of line. I think silicon valley behaviour would be better if the CEO's had some skin in the game.


I would not want the current US president to hold the power to kill CEOs that he thinks have stepped "out of line".

Quite a few of the other presidents, likewise.


Kills the CEOs, but don't punish actual criminals, very left-coded.


Are these CEOs not "actual criminals"? Frankly, a CEO who knowingly allows his company to put poison (melamine) in the baby formula they produce -- killing several babies and hospitalizing *51,900* others -- is far more of a "criminal" than a simple mugger. Muggers can only hurt so many people, while major corporations have the capacity to cause harm on a society-wide scale.


Are you saying that what the executives have done here in this article is a crime? Specifically Mark Zuckerberg, the CEO in question?

Then what are we even taking about.


And according to the right the CEOs need to be paid obscene amounts of money because they’re ultimately responsible for everything the company does. Can’t have it both ways.


Mark Zuckerberg isn't paid obscene amounts of money by anyone, he is rich because he maintained ownership over something he built.


The comment you're resonding to didn't say one thing about not punishing "actual criminals". What in the world are you responding to?


Because I pay attention to what's happening in the world.

We've had attempts on the life of the President, and a literal CEO gunned down in the street. It's amazing how quickly this got normalized.


What's amazing is the cynical moral calculus people like yourself engage in when you completely discount some types of human lives, but then display this theatrical shock at the notion that the lives of your personal mythological figures - Presidents and "literal" CEOs - might not be utterly sacrosanct in everyone's eyes, the way they are in yours.

How many lives is a CEO's life worth to you? How many lives is "the life of the President" worth?


Another shooting. Predictable. What say you? As I said, this is going downhill, fast, because people like you normalize it.


don't worry, I also believe in prison for violent offenders, I just think that the more power you have the more serious punishment should get


The actual criminal here is the CEO. But of course very right-coded is to not care about child safety, since the right is the biggest perpetrator of child sex offences and don't mind associating with them.

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/19/1093364807/republicans-confro...

And the church the right is so fond of sure seems to have its own wiki page on child safety. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_c...

Of course Zuck, who's famous for ass kissing the orange stain that calls himself a president https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnGSYvEC-DQ (and who LOOOVES his daughter a little bit too much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EPEkk6qWkg), would want to suppress child safety research, his benefactors demand it.


I prefer the classic american approach. Smash them to pieces.




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