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I struggle to believe they're as bad as our propaganda wants us to believe.


This is a statement of fact that you're referring to as propaganda.


It's funny and telling you believe we don't get propaganda. They are doing a really good job!

But think about it… according to our media russia was out of weapons and food 3 years ago. How did ukraine not invade moscow if the russians are all dead?

Could it be… because it was propaganda?


It's funny and telling you believe we don't get propaganda.

No one said that.

They are doing a really good job!

Who is they in your scenario here?

Are you disputing that this person was fired? The difference is always facts and evidence. What facts and evidence do you have to present?


Ukraine didn't invade moscow → the constant stream of news telling us how russia was defeated 3 years ago was propaganda.

Is it clear enough?


This story is about trump firing the statistics chief because he didn't like the data.

I have no idea what you are talking about.


No you argued against me on "we don't have propaganda"


This never happened.


It's complicated. I've lived in an eastern European communist country, escaped as a political refugee, and then lived in several western countries.

Communist countries at least could house everyone. They more or less had to, because most of them are too cold in winter for the homeless to survive. Education was generally free and quite good. Etc...

But... my dad was dragged off one day and beaten black and blue by the secret police for engaging in "anti-communist capitalist activities". He was tutoring students after school for a bit of cash.

Meanwhile, in the world's richest third-world country, the United States, people with the wrong skin colour are being dragged out of their homes and thrown into concentration camps in another country. Breaking a leg can bankrupt you.

You hear stories of NK refugees hating their new life in SK because it's too competitive and they can't keep up with the constant go-go-go business culture.

I also saw smuggled(!) videos of children in NK picking up individual grains of rice that fell in between the railway tracks at the local shunting yard. So you know... hustle culture, or that.

I personally remember driving to a shopping centre and standing in line outside right before it opened so my Mom could buy me rain boots. Her friend that worked there had called her at 6am telling her to hurry because they had them in stock for the first (and only) time that year.

But... on my recent holiday to the US I was shocked to see how tense police officers looked compared to anywhere else in the world. I witnessed a traffic accident, and the cops that turned up looked like they were ready to draw their weapons and start blasting at any second. They were all kitted out in body armour and had their hands on their weapons at all times. Scanning the crowd non-stop. Where I live, cops are friendly and will high-five my kid and pose for selfies. The US feels more like an outdoor prison to me.


Cops in the US are given military hardware in many cases and are trained to see anyone as a threat, an opponent. And there are enough criminal f-heads in any state and region to kinda justify that in the aggregate. We're well-armed, and there are a lot of nut jobs. But not the majority by any means.


Doesn't the USA have more guns per capita than nations at war?


Try showing a palestinian flag or an anti monarchy piece of paper in the very civilised and liberal UK and see what happens to you in the totally free western world.


Nothing?




There's no evidence in that article that anyone was arrested for flying the flag of Palestine. It's about protests in favour of a specific proscribed group. I'm as pro-Palestine as they come but linking to that article to support the claims made above is just dishonest.



You made a claim of X and then backed up up with evidence of Y happening. Are you calling me dishonest for pointing that out?


Perhaps reading the claim i made would have helped.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44765372


I read it and responded accordingly. Your point was about the flying of a flag in the UK. You followed this up with an article about people being arrested for supporting a proscribed organisation, not for the flying that flag which we both know many people are doing every day

If you would like to make a further point then please do so.


> anti monarchy piece of paper

No, you clearly did not read and insist in refusing to read.

Chatgpt would have done a better job at this.


> I witnessed a traffic accident, and they cops that turned up looked like they were ready to draw their weapons

Traffic stops are one of the most high risk situations police officers are involved in. I imagine traffic accidents are up there with it. The US also has a road rage problem topped off by never knowing who is armed or who keeps a revolver in the glove box


You're repeating the propaganda that is used to put cops on edge and make them trigger happy. There is a long list of jobs that are more dangerous than cop in the US. They hype themselves up that they're in danger all the time and citizens pay the price.


1659447091 did not compare Police Officer’s jobs with other jobs but merely pointed out that traffic stops are dangerous for them. Imagine if part of the job involved a 0.3% possibility of getting killed, how would you approach that part of the job?


> traffic stops are dangerous for them

Traffic stops in the United States are dangerous for them.

In Australia, they're more likely to be killed during a traffic stop because they're hit by cars than getting shot at.


yes, the thread is about US along with any other which discusses police brutality or police killing own citizens :)


But they're not actually that dangerous, I don't think LEO even break like top 10 most dangerous jobs.

The problem is that LEOs have a separate, extremely lenient, set of standards they're judged on. We don't tolerate mistakes at other jobs, much less deadly mistakes or mistakes that cost millions in lawsuits. Hell, the McDonald's cashier is getting insta-fired if their drawer is 1 dollar short.


I don't think they were misunderstanding that, just trying to give perspective.


I have a lead foot sometimes, and I've had a gun waved (but not pointed, thankfully) at me at least twice that I'm aware of in recent years (Houston area)


Lol, they risk having to abuse their power and face no consequence?


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> From how it’s stated, I would expect on the order of at least 5% of non-whites to be imprisoned.

Based on current demographic numbers, you would require almost 7 million people to be imprisoned before you'll accept that authorities are targeting minorities? That's more than 3x the current numbers and 60% of the global incarcerated population.

You're not being intellectually honest with that argument.


> I don’t know

The root of the problem. With a functioning due process regime, we would.


"Today, a federal court found that the federal government’s ongoing immigration raids in Southern California and its denial of access to counsel for arrested immigrants likely violated the Constitution, and issued two temporary restraining orders (TRO) prohibiting the federal government, including the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), from continuing its unlawful actions in Los Angeles and surrounding counties.

The first TRO bars immigration agents from stopping individuals without reasonable suspicion and from relying on four factors – alone or in combination – including apparent race or ethnicity; speaking Spanish or English with an accent; presence in a particular location like a bus stop, car wash, or agricultural site; or the work the person does. The second TRO orders DHS to provide access to counsel on weekdays, weekends, and holidays for people who are detained in B-18, the federal building in downtown Los Angeles."[0]

"A federal judge in California has temporarily blocked Donald Trump’s administration from revoking deportation protections for tens of thousands of immigrants from Honduras, Nepal and Nicaragua.

A searing 37-page ruling argued that a decision by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to cancel those temporary humanitarian protections appeared partially rooted in “racial and discriminatory animus.”

“Color is neither a poison nor a crime,” stated the ruling from District Judge Trina Thompson, who was appointed by former President Joe Biden."[1]

[0]https://www.aclusocal.org/en/press-releases/court-prohibits-...

[1]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...




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