And the links don't even touch on things that are comparable lol. Waymo might keep all the data themselves as they own the cars, while with Teslas, the drivers can and will just grab the camera data themselves, many post it YouTube.
You cannot compare "the subset of conditions, locations, weather, street markings where FSD is available, because if they're not suitable, you can't use it" against "all drivers, all conditions, all weather, all the time, whether suitable or not" and keep a straight face.
Also, "fun" facts:
Tesla doesn't count an incident as an accident if the airbags don't deploy. Modern airbag systems don't blindly deploy on impact at a certain speed. Sensors assess speed, intensity of impact, angles, chassis intrusion before determining whether to trigger airbags. Sometimes it just might be seatbelt tensioners that fire. You can hammer into someone at 30mph and because of those variables, airbags don't deploy (I've also witnessed this literally hundreds of times as a firefighter/paramedic). But no airbags? That 30mph collision? "Not an accident". This also includes accidents where damage to the vehicle was so severe that airbag systems were unable to deploy. Not an accident in Tesla's "statistics".
Even more egregious - Tesla specifically does not count fatality accidents in its accident stats. Why? Who the hell knows, but they don't, and have said so themselves.
Tesla also redacts more information than any other company to the NTSB about driver assistance system incidents. Including Waymo.
So, due respect, nothing has been "immediately proven untrue". The only thing known is that Tesla is happy to pimp themselves on garbage logic and math that there's no earthly way they know is not a number that's close to useless and deceiving.
> But statisticians have pointed out serious analytical flaws, including the fact that the Tesla stats involve newer cars being driven on highways. The government’s general statistics include cars of all ages on highways, rural roads and neighborhood streets. In other words, the comparison is apples and oranges.
> and we count all crashes in which the incident alert indicated an airbag or other active restraint deployed. (Our crash statistics are not based on sample data sets or estimates.)
You're trying too hard to cope. Tesla's own vehicle safety report says that they don't count accidents without airbag deployment.
There's plenty of points about Musk's bullshit. Just a few months ago he was telling investors that Teslas can ignore noise from dirt, dust, snow, because Tesla's cameras do photon counting.
Spoiler: they don't. they can't. Photon counting requires special cameras. It requires an enclosed lab so you can you know, actually count the photons.
But then there's people like you, who can't seem to understand why his repeated garbage spewing might engender skepticism in others, and instead put it down to them being haters or jealous or something.
You sound like one of those fan boys that keeps a picture of Elon next to their bed.
He's a con-man that has endangered lives by tacking on the word "beta" to a dangerous "full self driving" system for almost a decade to fool customers. Meanwhile others like Waymo did it the right, safe way. And wait no... now it's labeled "supervised" and "unsupervised" full self driving or some bs like that.
Last but not least, he's the immoral idiot that fanned hate and the political divide in America by supporting Trumps claims of a stolen election. He then manipulated a democratic election by offering million dollar in bribes (or prizes as he called them) to people who voted for Trump. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/10/20/elon-musk-offers-1-milli...
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/musks-tesla-seeks-g...
Waymo publishes tons of safety metrics on their website. Here's an analysis/summary:
https://www.damfirm.com/waymo-accident-statistics.html