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Don't tell management about this, as they're all betting the house on AI agents next year.


Only one of these outcomes will be correct, so worth putting money on it if you think they're wrong a la The Big Short.


Not OP, but I've been thinking about this and concluded it's not quite so clear-cut. If I was going to go down this path, I think I would bet on competitors, rather than against incumbents.

My thinking: In a financial system collapse (a la The Big Short), the assets under analysis are themselves the things of value. Whereas betting on AI to collapse a technology business is at least one step removed from actual valuation, even assuming:

1. AI Agents do deliver just enough, and stay around long enough, for big corporations to lay off large number of employees

2. After doing so, AI quickly becomes prohibitively expensive for the business

3. The combination of the above factors tank business productivity

In the event of a perfect black swan, the trouble is that it's not actually clear that this combination of factors would result in concrete valuation drops. The business just "doesn't ship as much" or "ships more slowly". This is bad, but it's only really bad if you have competitors that can genuinely capitalise on that stall.

An example immediately on-hand: for non-AI reasons, the latest rumors are that Apple's next round of Macbook Pros will be delayed. This sucks. But isn't particularly damaging to the company's stock price because there isn't really a competitor in the market that can capitalise on that delay in a meaningful way.

Similarly, I couldn't really tell you what the most recent non-AI software features shipped by Netflix or Facebook or X actually were. How would I know if they're struggling internally and have stopped shipping features because AI is too expensive and all their devs were laid off?

I guess if you're looking for a severe black swan to bet against AI Agents in general, you'd need to find a company that was so entrenched and so completely committed to and dependent on AI that they could not financially survive a shock like that AND they're in a space where competitors will immediately seize advantage.

Don't get me wrong though, even if there's no opportunity to actually bet against that situation, it will still suck for literally everyone if it eventuates.


It’s tricky to predict how AI impacts business value directly. You might want to check out MailsAI for insights on how companies adjust their strategies in uncertain times. It helped me see the bigger picture without getting lost in assumptions.


If you want to bet on a competitor, let's talk cause I'm your guy. While everyone else was looking the other way, I stole home: https://github.com/bablr-lang


shorting only works if people realise it when you do. c-suite will run out of make up before admitting its a pig because the pay off is huge for them. I reckon agentic dev can function "just enough" to allow them to delay the reality for a bit while they fire more of their engineering team.

I don't think this one is worth shorting because there's no specific event to trigger the mindshare to start moving and validating your position. You'd have to wait for very big public failures before the herd start to move.


Do you have suggestions on how one would go about doing this? Do you just approach a betting company and make some prediction against some wager?


While true, the world doesn't end in 2025. While I would also agree that big financial benefits from agents to companies appear unlikely to arrive this year (and the title specifically mentions 2025) I would bet on agents becoming a disruptive technology in the next 5-10 years. My 2c.


Why this timeline? What’s missing today that would make it possible in 5-10 years?


Just empirical observations. It takes time to propagate technology down to general businesses and business methods up to technology developers. The "propagate down to business methods" is the slower path, as it requires business leaders to become familiar enough with technology to get ideas on how to leverage it.

This is not a new observation -- Clark's note on overestimating short term and underestimating long term impact of technology is one of my favorite patterns. My 2c.


This is what I try to explain to people who ask "If LLMs are so good why haven't they replaced workers?". Well it takes a long time for the railroads to be built. What use is a locomotive without rails?


Better models?

Claude Code is impressive but it still produces quite a bit of garbage in my experience, and coding agents are likely to be the best agents around for the foreseeable future.


Shorting is rarely worth it without detailed information, because you also have to get the timing right. If you short AI now but it crashes in two years, chances are good that you lost a lot of money.


They're just following the herd.


This is obviously AI generated, if that matters.

And I have an AI workflow that generates much better posts than this.


I think it's just written by someone who reads a lot of LLM output - lots of lists with bolded prefixes. Maybe there was some AI-assistance (or a lot), but I didn't get the impression that it was AI-generated as a whole.


"Hard truth" and "reality check" in the same post is dead giveaway.

I read and generate hundreds of posts every month. I have to read books on writing to keep myself sane and not sound like an AI.


Absolutely! And you're right to think that. Here's why...


Applogies! You're exactly right, here's how this spans out…


True, the graphs are also wonky - the curves don't match the supposed math.


Yeah that was confusing to me


I wonder why a person from Bombay India might use AI to aid with an English language blog post…

Perhaps more interesting is whether their argument is valid and whether their math is correct.


The thing that sucks about it is maybe his english is bad (not his native language) so he relies on LLM output for his posts. Im inclined to cut people slack for this. But the rub is that it is indistinguishable from spam/slop generated for marketing/ads/whatever.

Or it's possible that he is one of those people that _realy_ adopted LLMs into _all_ their workflow, I guess, and he thinks the output is good enough as is, because it captured his general points?

LLMs have certainly damaged trust in general internet reading now, that's for sure.


I am not pro or against AI-generated posts. I was just making an observation and testing my AI classifier.


The graphs don't line up. I'm inclined to believe they were hallucinated by an LLM and the author either didn't check them or didn't care.

Judging by the other comments this is clearly low-effort AI slop.

> LLMs have certainly damaged trust in general internet reading now, that's for sure.

I hate that this is what we have to deal with now.


I don't know why you do. I found the article interesting, derived value from it. I don't care if it's an LLM or a human that gave me the value. I don't see why it should matter.


It matters to me for so many reasons that I can't go over them all here. Maybe we have different priorities, and that's fine.

One reason why LLM generated text bothers me is because there's no conscious, coherent mind behind it. There's no communicative intent because language models are inherently incapable of it. When I read a blog post, I subconsciously create a mental model of the author, deduce what kind of common ground we might have and use this understanding to interpret the text. When I learn that an LLM generated a text I've read, that mental model shatters and I feel like I was lied to. It was just a machine pretending to be a human, and my time and attention could've been used to read something written by a living being.

I read blogs to learn about the thoughts of other humans. If I wanted to know what an LLM thought about the state of vibe coding, I could just ask one at any time.


Real question: what's the best way to short AI right now?


Just short any of the publicly traded companies with AI based valuations? Nvida, Meta? Seems like an awful idea but I'm often wrong.


Nvidia and Meta are both involved in a lot more than AI. There are maybe other reasons to short Meta, but either is definitely not a pure AI play.


I mean, I wouldn't bet against AI, but I'm also not certain the current AI company valuations are realistic.


> In a Nutshell

> AI tools aren't perfect yet. They sometimes make mistakes, and they can't always understand what you are trying to do. But they're getting better all the time, In the future, they will be more powerful and helpful. They'll be able to understand your code even better, and they'll be able to generate even more creative ideas.

From another post on the same site. [0]

Yup, slop.

[0]: https://utkarshkanwat.com/writing/review-of-coding-tools/


"Let's do the math. "

This phrase is usually followed by some, you know...Math?


The article is slop. That’s just a phrase ChatGPT uses a lot.


2015? The title should be 2025.


2015? Title is correct, this is a typo


Sorry about that, my fault, moderating from my phone.


Let's get a timer to watch this fall off the front page of HN in minutes.

"We can't allow this post to create FUD about the current hype on AI agents and we need the scam to continue as long as possible".


we need a flag button for “written by AI”.

I’m at this stage where I’m fine with AI generated content. Sure, the verbosity sucks - but there’s an interesting idea here, but make it clear that you’ve used AI, and show your prompts.


Generally speaking, low quality posts don't spend too much time on the front page, regardless of their topic.


... and it's gone. Stopped the timer on 2 hours and 38 mins.


AI is for people without natural intelligence.


Yea just average IQ like Terence Tao.

All you are really saying with this comment is you have an incredibly narrow set of interests and absolutely no intellectual curiosity.


So it's for 90+ percent of society?

Sounds like good business to me.


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