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Law abiding people always have something to fear when due process is being thrown out the window. If the government can just assert criminality without having to prove it then they can mete out punishment to any law abiding people.

> Trump derangement syndrome.

The only people deranged about Trump are the people supporting him.


Got a single specific example of law-abiding citizens or visa holders having their due process thrown out the window?



> Both claimed they were touring California but later admitted they intended to work

yeah...


Those two German teenagers, Charlotte Pohl and Maria Lepère, were denied entry because they broke immigration law and visa terms by misrepresenting work intentions.

I won't spend time researching the second article. One was enough waste of time.


One link, or both even, could be wrong as this was a quick search. Are you willing to admit when you're wrong about something?

You could've done it yourself but you didn't so I did a quick search for you. You're not open enough. I also don't spend hours upon hours on this.


How can you make that argument when you were proved to be wrong publicly?

The fear-mongering is completely irrational. It's simply not true.


So you want me to be perfect with 0 mistakes, while you don't have to be? Why are you on this site if you don't extend good faith? How can I be completely irrational when you don't even bother to read all of what I posted?

Admittedly, it was a quick google search as I'm not an expert on this topic. I just know that I've heard many instances of it.

Why didn't you do the search yourself? You could've saved me the trouble.

Assuming that you are American, you live in a country where they can go through your phone when you are at the border and detain you for weeks if needed [1]. That's an issue.

I'm open to admit that I was wrong on the first article. You were open enough to read it.

You're not open enough to read the second link.

That seems to be the factual account of what is actually happening here. Everything else is opinion.

Feel free to post evidence that no US citizen has been screwed over by ICE or CBP without due process.

[1] https://www.aclutx.org/en/news/can-border-agents-search-your...


The thing is since we're just throwing people to El Salvadorian prison with no trials, we can't actually believe anything this admin is saying.

Of course Trumpies will tell you it's completely justified. That's, of course, impossible to know. If we wanted to know if it's justified we might, oh I don't know, hold a trial? Eh?

But we're not doing that, presumably because the powers to be understand they probably aren't always justified, so a trial would put their entire operation at risk.


So now we're to offer trials to violent Venezuelan gang members connected with the Venezuelan government (per official investigation reports), who invaded the country? They should have been forced to labor to pay for their own flight to the Salvadorian prisons.

Btw, I'm a Venezuelan immigrant. I have zero sympathy for those people.


> violent Venezuelan gang members connected with the Venezuelan government (per official investigation reports)

It's like you didn't even read my comment.

We didn't do any due process to figure this out, so you can't trust this rhetoric.

Investigators who want to deport people can make up whatever the fuck story they want. That's not evidence of anything. If you want evidence, you need a trial.

But they didn't do that, so let's all put on our thinking caps. Why wouldn't they do that? You would think if they're confident in their investigation, they would.

> Btw, I'm a Venezuelan immigrant

Yeah yeah and I have a black friend, who cares.


Kilmar Abrego Garcia?


Two different judges previously ordered him deported. The Trump administration was finally acting on it.


That’s absolutely false, the courts ordered that he not be deported yet, and the Supreme Court upheld that he was wrongly deported 9-0




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