Please keep in mind that the word socialist in this text probably doesn't mean what you think it does. Given it's age, the meaning is very likely more akin to this [1] definition. It means socialism as a form of economy where all means of production are in the hand of the state, not as the current American use of the word meaning anything that isn't extremist capitalism.
On the contrary, at the time Rerum Novarum was written, "socialism" was not understood narrowly as "whatever Soviets did". Anarchist socialists of various kinds in particular were still a very active movement, rivaling Marxism in both number of adherence and public prominence.
Let's see what kind of socialists the encyclical actually argues against.
> 4. To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man's envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies.
> 5. [...] Socialists, therefore, by endeavoring to transfer the possessions of individuals to the community at large, strike at the interests of every wage-earner, since they would deprive him of the liberty of disposing of his wages, and thereby of all hope and possibility of increasing his resources and of bettering his condition in life.
This sounds exactly like the definition I referenced.
> 15. [...] Hence, it is clear that the main tenet of socialism, community of goods, must be utterly rejected, since it only injures those whom it would seem meant to benefit, is directly contrary to the natural rights of mankind, and would introduce confusion and disorder into the commonweal. (sic!)
I guess this is part of the argument the poster I replied to was talking about.
In the last years I have seen more and more posters here, especially American, abuse the word "socialism" to describe anything implementing social institutions or worker's rights, even calling very capitalist countries like Sweden "socialist". For a person who has experienced first hand what actual socialism is like, this gets old very fast.
The parent sounded like they had misinterpreted the text's reference of "socialism" in exactly this way. That is why I placed this little reminder.
> socialism as a form of economy where all means of production are in the hand of the state
whereas even the quote says something quite different:
> individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies
This latter part is a very big distinction. Anarchists are by definition anti-state, but not necessarily anti-governance.
Of course, the other point is that this is simply the parade of horribles intended to smear the ideology. Quite similar to how today in US whenever someone says "socialism", you can virtually guarantee that someone will respond with "... but gulags!", as if that naturally followed.
> In the last years I have seen more and more posters here, especially American, abuse the word "socialism" to describe anything implementing social institutions or worker's rights, even calling very capitalist countries like Sweden "socialist". For a person who has experienced first hand what actual socialism is like, this gets old very fast.
FWIW I was born in the USSR so I know full well what that kind of socialism means. I also know that it's not the only kind of socialism possible - indeed, it was kinda late to the party. It just happened to be the one that got into power somewhere first because it was the only one brutal enough to overcome the violent state suppression of all socialist thought, so the kind of society it resulted in shouldn't be surprising.
Sweden is, of course, not socialist in any meaningful sense. The classic, and still the most accurate, definition of socialism is the lack of private property on the means of production (i.e. capital) at scale. Note that it doesn't necessarily mean state ownership, or even common ownership - e.g. worker coops are socialist but any given coop is only owned by its member-workers, not by everyone in its area.
1: https://archive.org/details/websters_202301/page/1094/mode/2...