I'm outside of the Rust community, so my two cents are worthless - but in this thread it seems a lot of people are actually wanting a defacto app framework, not necessarily a bloated "kitchen sink" style stdlib.
The stdlib probably should remain simple, in my opinion. The complexity should be optional.
No, we specifically want stdlib and not an app framework.
The problem with third party frameworks is that by definition (of being third party) there's no single standard one to use, so libraries use different ones, and then you end up with a mess of dependencies, or else multiple incompatible ecosystems, each duplicating the same functionality around a different framework.
The beauty of stdlib is that it's guaranteed to be there, meaning that any library can use it as needed. It also improves interop between libraries because the same concepts are represented by the same standard types. And even when parts of stdlib are optional - which by necessity they must be for any "batteries included" stdlib because e.g. embedded is a thing - it's still beneficial to library authors because they know that, for any given feature, all supported platforms that do have it have stdlib expose it in the same way.
