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There is no problem to solve because there is no rug to pull out. Redis are not owed anything and no one stole anything from them.

When I try to make a business hosting copies of an http server, I am not pulling the rug out from under nginx who actually wrote the http server.

And when AWS does that better and than me, they are not pulling any rug out from under me, or at least not in any way that is special to any of the software involved, just plain old bigger businesses vs little businesses, no different than say Safelite vs Joe the Glass Guy.




Ok friend, when you come up with a business model to support OSS that doesn’t get destroyed by the internet giants let me know.


No one needs to come up with anything. OSS is already just fine. I don't know what you want, but it seems to be something you never had any right to, and no one needs to come up with anything to satisfy it.


It’s easy to say everyone else is wrong but the majority of innovation and new projects nowadays are coming from people wanting to do oss while still supporting a business with it. That is having it be more than a hobby.

Now you can say that this itself is already a misunderstanding and maybe you are right, but I think you forget also that software reality has changed and indeed there was a time when oss fulltime was viable.

Now the reality is that there is no business model other than closed source or oss with some inevitable rug pull of some sort.

And that is not what should be


Everyone else is not wrong, and I did not say they were, and so any argument you try based on that is already voided nonsense before you start.

Some people are wrong. It's easy to say that because it has always been true for everything in the world. This topic is no different.

If you want to suggest that you are not wrong, or that I am, you have to present an argument that holds water for that, not anything else.

No one owes anyone a business selling OSS, not even the author of said OSS. If you write something that you want to make money selling, then you are not interested in participating in OSS. That's it. Full stop.

Sell your software honestly.

"But I can't if it's not..." So what? Ok then don't sell it. It's no one else's problem that you have a misguided notion of why OSS exists and what it is good for and why one should spend any time or effort contributing to it.

All the other wailing and crying stems from bullshit you never had any right to in the first place. Not just legally or technically but morally and common-sensely.


I find this interesting. In your view, who should produce oss and under what circumstances? Is sustainability of oss anything you worry about?


Anyone who wants to, for a variety of reasons. No it is not.


> "But I can't if it's not..." So what? Ok then don't sell it.

Interestingly, when it's coming from TooBigTech, apparently they're happy to say "But we can't make viable LLMs if we don't abuse copyright" (yes, they said it). And apparently it works.

Not that I disagree with your point, though: nobody is owed a business selling OSS.


llm vendors are violating copyright. I don't know what that has to do with this conversation.




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