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Funny how Russia is absent from the list


They’re sanctioned up the wazoo

> U.S. total goods trade with Russia were an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024.

Among European Union members:

> The total bilateral trade in goods reached €851 billion in 2023.


That makes no difference to who should get tariffs by the administration's own logic. They're cozying up to Russia. No other explanation is feasible.


I can think of at least a dozen reasons but I'll give you one: We are in delicate peace negotiations with Russia _right_ now. There is good reason to isolate all foreign policy decisions with that country to those negotiations. It is called doing more than one thing at a time.


We are also in delicate peace negotiations with Ukraine right now, but we still put import taxes on them. If you think that the administration would put more import taxes on Russia after the negotiations are done, then at least you're consistent. I need your other 11+ reasons to be convinced.


11+ conspicuously missing reasons later...

Bro digitally simps for nations for political identity, and instantly folded under the lightest application of reasoning. That is sad.


Ukraine is party to those same delicate peace negotiations. Why weren't they excluded, if this is the reason why?


If we were in delicate peace negotiations then we should put more pressure on them. Tell them extra tarrifs will be removed if they agree. The main reason there is still war is Putins stubbornness in admitting he started an unwinnable war. More pressure is helpful


You mean delicate play to dismantle Ukraine, sell it bit by bit to Russia and steal the remaining resources?

You can’t possibly qualify this shitshow as "peace negotiations"


I'm not sure Krasnov will do anything to offend Russia.


Ukraine has around $1.2 billion and still got 10% tariffs.


Europe buys oil and gas from Russia. But EU has set maximum prices what screws russia.


Considering Russia has been disobeying orders and Australia and Japan have done almost nothing to the USA, then why not give it to them a bit harder?


So? Let’s not give it too hard to poor Russia?


Current US sanctions on Russia make trade a moot point, that’s why.


Total trade with Russia in 2024: $3.5bn

Total trade with Ukraine in 2024: $2.9bn

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia...

So, Ukraine will get an exemption, too, right? Because their trade is even a mooter point, right? Right?!


This is down from $23B in 2019, and is basically just fertilizer and minerals used to make fertilizer.

Fertilizer is not sanctioned due to the fact it’s needed for food security in the EU (surprise suprise, the EU is not just insecure domestically in terms of military and energy and technology, but also in terms of fertilizers needed to grow food, fantastic governance they have over there…leaving potash mining or nat gas extraction to other countries does look good for those domestic net zero calculations though!).


EU peace is assured by inter-locking trade within the block. Countries within the EU are gently encouraged to trade essential goods with one another instead of producing them themselves.

This policy dates back to the end of WW2 as an attempt to prevent one country getting too aggressive and hence starting another war.

Since the fall of the wall, Russia was seen as a legitimate trading partner for the block and, in the long term (just as Türkiye), as member of the block.

Hence sourcing fertiliser from Russia was taken to be a strategic positive since it tired Russia to Europe.


> Hence sourcing fertiliser from Russia was taken to be a strategic positive since it tired Russia to Europe.

And you still defend this as a strategic positive?


I think we should be aware of history, that does not imply acceptance nor agreement.

Instead had I said this ten years ago, the majority of politicians in the EU would have been d’accord. What does that imply about our political systems?

There have been a bunch of alliances in Europe over the centuries, none have been permanent.


It was a rational and logical thing to do, assuming Russia wants prosperity. Sadly, it turns out people with power in Russia don't really care about that for regular people.

So... I think it was a good thing after all. It could've worked out, and bring us peace. A moonshot with great payoff but some chance of failing is often a risk worth taking, HN should know that :)


This reply makes the mootest point of all the moot points.


I don’t see Ukraine on the list at least. But I do see this as a win for Russia in the destabilization of the Western economy.


It's on the list. They have to pay 10%


I stand corrected


They tariffed uninhabited land, countries that export nothing to the US, and countries for which the US has a trade surplus.

All those circumstances also would have made the point moot... yet they all still made the list.


There is still more trade with Russia than many countries in the list. Even Syria and Iran got tariffs.


The administration placed tariffs on uninhabited islands. I don't think they gave a rat's patootie about the volume of trade.


Didn't seem to be an issue for the penguin islands.


Besides the sanctions, the G7+EU hold something around 300 billion $ of funds so far owned by the Ruzzian central bank. Not enough to rebuild Ukraine, but it will be a decent start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confiscation_of_Russian_centra...


Stealing the assets of countries like Venezuela and Russia caused this to happen by making the rest of the world move off of the dollar to secure their asses. Doing more of them is the dumbest idea that can be proposed.


Stealing? Don't start a war against neighbours or other neighbours might get angry.

I don't see much movement into other currencies, just the usual fluctuation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency#Global_curren...

"Other currencies" gained two percent point, I guess that's the Rupees the Ruzzians sold their oil for.


> Don't start a war against neighbours or other neighbours might get angry

Those other neighbors themselves invaded many countries. They stole the money of other countries. Like Venezuela. They never had their assets stolen. Apparently, they subscribed to none of the moral values and ethics they have been advocating. So that argument doesn't count.

Those are currency reserves. Not the changes in the usage of currencies in international trade. But hey, don't let me disturb the comfortable numbness...


At this point, Trump could hoist the russian flag at the white house and republicans would still turn a blind eye.




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