I think about highly productive artists who, at some point, keep making records but can't make hit records anymore. I'd include David Bowie, Neil Young, Billy Joel, Duran Duran, Yes, KRS-ONE, just for a few. Sometimes I listen to a late discography and enjoy it consistently, such as Neil Young [1], other times it seems like an artist really loses their way, like Frank Zappa did once he got his Synclavier. Other artists wander in the dark for years and come out with something better than they ever did [2] Despite all this, some artists put on an amazing live act despite no new hits, such as Public Enemy and the 38 Special/Foghat show my son won tickets to last year. [3]
I used to have reductivist explanations such as "struggles with music technology" or "too old to rock and roll" but after hearing a lot of late music that I like, despite being unpopular, I think every artist follows a different trajectory.
[3] Answering problems in so many ways: members who passed away were replaced with other illustrious rock and rollers -- I wasn't expecting to hear "Play that funky music white boy" or an instrumental from the Heavy Metal soundtrack but these were great, Foghat even paid a songwriter to make a new song that fit in perfectly with their set.
> highly productive artists who, at some point, keep making records but can't make hit records anymore
Then there is Cher, who has had 52 charting singles (Billboard Hot 100) so far, from 1965 to 2023.
The Rolling Stones have charted singles from 1963 (UK) to 2023, so their hits also span 7 decades.
On the songwriting and production side, there is Max Martin, who has written or co-written 27 #1 hits (Billboard Hot 100) so far. The first one was for Britney Spears in 1998, and the most recent two (!) were for Ariana Grande in 2024.
Ah yeah but that's always the case. Was mostly just surprised my response to 27 number ones was "really, only 27?!"
Looks like the hot 100 is more confusing than I thought; I see I Want It That Way by the Backstreet Boys only peaked at 6 because it somehow only came out after its peak in popularity, whatever that means (maybe it was only a music video for a few weeks or something or not physically available or something?)
US #1 or not, the song is an enduring classic. It has remained in the top 200 on at least one Spotify chart since 2015, and probably as long as Spotify has existed.
Roger Waters (of Pink Floyd fame) was pushing 80 when I saw him perform a few years ago (he’s 81 now) and his show was absolutely incredible. He played one new song which I’ve totally forgotten, and of course all of the old songs, but wow that show is refined to a perfected science. Pigs literally flying, a literal wall coming up, laser lights, projectors, fake machine guns. Comfortably Numb was a standout, but he’s been doing this songs for over 40 years now to arenas. It’s astonishing. So many moving parts (literally and figuratively) and I’ll fondly remember it for the rest of my life.
Right, there was a time that many older rockers seemed "too old to rock and roll" but as you say, they have learned from all their successes and mistakes so they have it down to a science. My wife had an amazing time at a Bruce Springsteen concert similarly.
From vague memory, I'm not sure Frank Zappa lost his way, but actually found what he'd been looking for the whole time. Prior to the Synclavier he was forced to use humans to bring his compositions to life, and therefore his compositions were written with this in mind; a forced compromise of sorts.
Can't be too upset though given his prolific album releases prior to his Synclavier moment.
You're right, he was such a misanthrope that he didn't enjoy working with musicians, yet, he worked with so many brilliant musicians that made his work great.
I think of his albums where he heavily overdubbed concert footage, probably peaking in The Man From Utopia which just sounds like the greatest concert you never went to.
Also worth remembering that his most synclavier-heavy work came as he was dying of cancer. And also that the "synclavier phase" is like 4-5 albums out of over 60.
I used to have reductivist explanations such as "struggles with music technology" or "too old to rock and roll" but after hearing a lot of late music that I like, despite being unpopular, I think every artist follows a different trajectory.
[1] Except for the polemical Monsanto Years
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesizer_(album) was one of the few things my evil twin found me that I won't disavow
[3] Answering problems in so many ways: members who passed away were replaced with other illustrious rock and rollers -- I wasn't expecting to hear "Play that funky music white boy" or an instrumental from the Heavy Metal soundtrack but these were great, Foghat even paid a songwriter to make a new song that fit in perfectly with their set.