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No amount of exposure so far has had any effect on corruption. That AI will somehow improve this is just magical thinking.


It does have an effect; it is just a slow and grinding process. And people have screwy senses of proportion - like old mate mentioning insider trading. Of all the corruption in the US Congress insider trading is just not an issue. They've wasted trillions of dollars on pointless wars and there has never been a public accounting of what the real reasoning was. That sort of process corruption is a much bigger problem.

A great example - people forget what life was like pre-Snowden. The authoritarians were out in locked ranks pretending that the US spies were tolerable - it made any sort of organisation to resist impossible. Then one day the parameters of the debate get changed and suddenly everyone is forced to agree that encryption everywhere is the only approach that makes sense.


No - I mean the accessibility to the information and blatant use of power whereby we always knew it existed, but now we can tabulate and analyze it.


How is it any more accessible now than it was before? Don't you have to fact-check everything it says anyway, effectively doing the research you'd do without it?

I'm not saying LLMs are useless, but I do not understand your use case.


> now we can tabulate and analyze

Very doubtful: The current "AI" hype craze centers on LLMs, and they don't do math.

If anything they capabilities favor the other side, to obfuscate and protect falsehoods.


>>favor the other side, to obfuscate and protect falsehoods.

Unless they delete the Internet Archive of such info?

>>*and they don't do math.*

Have you ever considered the "Math of Politics"

Yeah - they do that just fine

((FYI -- Politics == Propaganda.. the first iteration of models is CHAT == Politics...

They do plenty of "Maths"))


I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say.


I worry I'm just trying too hard to make it make sense, and this is a TimeCube [0] situation.

The most-charitable paraphrase I can come up with it: "Bad people can't use LLMs to hide facts, hiding facts means removing source-materials. Math doesn't matter for politics which are mainly propaganda."

However even that just creates contradictions:

1. If math and logic are not important for uncovering wrongdoing, why was "tabulation" cited as an important feature in the first post?

2. If propaganda dominates other factors, why would the (continued) existence of the Internet Archive be meaningful? People will simply be given an explanation (or veneer of settled agreement) so that they never bother looking for source-material. (Or in the case of IA, copies of source material.)

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20160112000701/http://www.timecu...


OMG Thank you - hilarious. TimeCube is a legend...

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I am saying that AI can be used very beneficially to do a calculated dissection of the Truth of our Political structure as a Nation and how it truly impacts an Individual/Unit (person, family) -- and do so where we can get discernible metrics and utilize AIs understanding of the vast matrices of such inputs to provide meaningful outputs. Simple.

EDIT @MegaButts;

>>Why is this better than AI

People tend to think of AI in two disjointed categories; [AI THAT KNOWS EVERYTHING] v [AI THAT CAN EASILY SIFT THROUGH VAST EVERYTHING DATA GIVEN TO IT AND BE COMMANDED TO OUTPUT FINDINGS THAT A HUMAN COULDN'T DO ALONE]

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Which do you think I refer to?

AI is transformative (pun intended) -- in that it allows for very complex questions to be asked of our very complex civilization in a simple and EveryMan hands...


> a calculated dissection of the Truth of our Political structure as a Nation

Not LLMs: They might reveal how people are popularly writing about the political structure of the nation.

If that were the same as "truth", we wouldn't need any kind of software analysis in the first place.


Your definition of "truth" is limited;

Truth: The real meaning behind the words which may or may not be interpreted by the receiver in A/B/N meaning

Truth: The actual structure of the nature of whats being presented.

When you can manipulate an individual's PERCEIVED reception of TRUTH between such, you can control reality... now do that at scale..


Why is AI better for this than a human? We already know AI is fundamentally biased by its training data in a way where it's actually impossible to know how/why it's biased. We also know AI makes things up all the time.


Ingestion of context.

Period.

If you dont understand the benefit of an AI augmenting the speed and depth of ingestion of Domain Context into a human mind.. then... go play with chalk.||I as a smart Human operate on lots of data... and AI and such has allowed me to consume such.

The most important medicines in the world are MEMORY retention...

It s youd like a conspiracy, eat too much aluminum to give you alzheimers asap so your generation forgets... (based though. hope you undestand what I am saying)




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