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What encroachment do you mean? There isn't much encroachment other than sabotage. Perhaps some financing of undermining political parties. There was significant encroachment of eastern Europe, but that has slowed down due to attention going towards the Ukraine war.

The main goal in Ukraine should be to make sure that Russia has as little benefit from their invasion as possible. Luckily this is effectively wholly compatible with Ukrainian goals.



Sorry, I should have said encroachment towards the west, or really just "invasion of Ukraine".

> The main goal in Ukraine should be to make sure that Russia has as little benefit from their invasion as possible

But how? Is it mostly to prolong the war until Russia gets tired of spending money and resources on it?


I wish Europe and the US would have just put their foot down and kicked out Russia swiftly and decisively in 2022.

Rather the have adopted the doctrine of "Ukraine can't lose, but Ukraine may not win". Always supplying just enough arms to keep the Ukrainian front from collapsing not to "stir up" Russia.


or in 2014 when they first invaded


Doesn't seem like that would have made anything better though. I thought the general consensus was that direct action would have just escalated things?

I watched a video recently that discussed all the grudges against the West/NATO Russia (Putin) has been holding onto since the mids 90s that makes them feel justified now.


But who cares if Putin escalates. He already is all-in to the tilt. If he had more he would deploy it.

The only thing left would be nuking. He hasn't dared and likely won't.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/europe/putin-nuclear-warns-we...

He has dared. Empty threats? Maybe... but that's quite the gamble to make.

Edit: To downvoters...

Why?


So what you give in to demands every time he rattles his saber?

History tells us that appeasement is a worse gamble.


Why is it a gamble for the West?

On the contrary: Should Putin risk everything for some sq km of Ukrainian soil?


I think he already answered that question long ago.


By not using nuclear weapons?


Drain Russia in the war. Make them pay for every day they are invading. Make them pay in human lives, make them pay in losy industrial output. Make them pay in economic welfare. Not just on Ukrainian soil.

If at all possible, take back any Ukrainian territory. Reduce whatever gain they got from this invasion. But even if the current line stands, the more Russia can be made to bleed, the less it will think that war can be a net postive for them.




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