I suspect that people self-manage a lot more if the pay is right. If they stop doing that it seems like you need a more expensive manager, or perhaps you do.
well partly but my comment was more systemic, a lot of "new management" was about naive quantitative approaches. measure stupid traces / outputs and forcing people to hit target objectives without looking at the workflow, tooling and team dynamics
people with enough skill and compatible mindsets need no management, they care, they will innovate, improve, repair
if the structure is at odds with that, they will ask to compensate the pain by large salary bumps because pleasure is turned into pain
