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Italy neither has the engineers to build a nuclear power plant, they would have to ask another nation, like Russia, Canada or France, to build it for them.

And where does the nuclear fuel come from? Russia.



> And where does the nuclear fuel come from? Russia.

Not true at all. Russia is producing 5% of the world Uranium, and they probably use quite a lot of that domestically given they produce 8% of all nuclear power in the world with their own plant.

Kazakhstan + Uzbekistan is 50% of the word production. Canada is second and will be happy to start selling to the EU. Namibia and Australia both produce twice as much as Russia.

Not to say that supply of natural Uranium is not a concern because you do depends of a small list of countries but we don't need to buy any from Russia.

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_uranium_p...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_by_country


Russia's large market share is rather in uranium enrichment than uranium mining. That's what I meant when I wrote "nuclear fuel".


That’s raw uranium ore. Uranium undergoes several refinement steps. In each Russia has an enormous market share.


Not true by skimming the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium

> The following countries are known to operate enrichment facilities: Argentina, Brazil, China, France, Germany, India, Iran, Japan, the Netherlands, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States.


Before uranium enrichment comes conversion to Uranium Hexafluoride. For instance the German uranium enrichment facility (biggest one in Europe) gets Uranium Hexafluoride from Russia.

Also a list of countries operating enrichment facilities does not say anything about capacity (Russia 50%) or market share (Russia 44%).

https://www.enerdata.net/publications/executive-briefing/ura...

The reality is that both the US and Europe are dependent on Russian uranium services, with the biggest dependency in Eastern Europe for fuel rods for Soviet-style Reactors. It's slowly changing, but will probably take decades.


So? Refinement doesn't have a dependency on a particular location. This is like saying nuclear energy in Germany is dependent on France and other countries. Currently it is but only because we choose to not do it locally - it doesn't have to be this way.


You know refinement can be done anywhere? We take bauxite and ship it to the other side of the world to make aluminium because electric power is cheaper there.


We still haven't been able to decouple from the Russian nuclear industry. It is one of few industries not yet sanctioned.

On the other hand Germany managed to decouple itself from the Russian fossil gas industry within months.

So tell me again "How it can be done anywhere" when we apparently can't do it without Russia 3 years into the war.


That is simply incorrect, Italian companies are already building nuclear reactors/power plants abroad.

Enel has built/is managing nuclear plants in Spain and Slovakia: https://www.enel.com/media/explore/search-press-releases/pre...

Eni is involved in building the first fusion plant: https://www.ansa.it/english/news/science_tecnology/2024/04/0...


I would classify ITER as basic research instead of a commercial nuclear power plant.

I didn't know that Enel operates nuclear power plants, that's interesting, but they seem to come from an acquisition of Endesa and have been constructed way before that acquisition, and from designs of foreign places. So they aren't modern generation reactors that one would want to build from scratch.

As for the Slovakian nuclear power plant, it's a russian design as well.

I don't doubt that Enel could operate nuclear reactors of foreign design, where Canada, Russia and France have strong capabilities, but if the design comes from a different country, do you really achieve the independence goal?


> I would classify ITER as basic research instead of a commercial nuclear power plant.

Absolutely correct. It will never serve as a power plant. It's a giant experiment, that's what the E stands for. We should be so lucky that one day it will generate a few minutes of power :)


Why not get the nuclear fuel from Canada? There's plenty of uranium in Saskatchewan.


>And where does the nuclear fuel come from?

Canada, Khazakhstan, Namibi, and so on. Russia is pretty far down the list. Australia has the largest known reserves of uranium they just haven pushed to extensively extract it.


> Canada, Khazakhstan, Namibi, and so on. Russia is pretty far down the list.

Not wrong, but Russia controls about half of the world's enrichment capacity.

If you want to avoid possible lock-in, then you may want to look at reactors that do not need enriched uranium (like CANDU: it does have an extra up-front cost for 'heavy water' though).


There's no need for Russia to get involved. As per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium

> The following countries are known to operate enrichment facilities: Argentina, Brazil, China, France, Germany, India, Iran, Japan, the Netherlands, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States.


Great: but how much spare capacity do they have? A lot of these are primarily serving domestic needs.

Heck, >25% of the US's uranium comes from Russia:

* https://www.visualcapitalist.com/where-the-u-s-gets-its-enri...

Being able to use "plain" uranium greatly expands your supplier options.


Because it's cheap. Russia needs money to wage war so it sells stuff. Again, nobody is wholly dependent on Russia.


> Because it's cheap.

I doubt that the US is buying from Russia—you know, the country/government which it threw sanctions on in all sorts of ways—because "it's cheap".

Recently a ban on importation was started, and it included a couple of billion for more processing facilities in the US:

* https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/14/climat...

It's a supply chain issue that took some time to sort out:

* https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-nuclear-fuel-agreemen...


Also, that uranium could have come from pre-war contracts. Anyway, I think we're in agreement:

* There are uranium enrichment facilities outside Russia, even in Europe

* There's uranium outside Russia, even in Europe (look at Czechia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_uranium_r...)

So, let's build a plant.


The fuel comes primarily from Kazachstan, Canada and Australia.

Edit: Parent meant enriched uranium, not ore so this comment is not relevant.


Aren't there other ore sources ? I think nuclear powered countries diversified inputs.


And that's because western nations are run by idiots that can't do long term planning to save their lives.


Italy has highly skilled nuclear engineers.

>And where does the nuclear fuel come from? Russia.

Nonsense.


What are those engineers doing currently, then? It takes time to actually build a technology base for somethin like nuclear, and it generally requires that you are building and running nuclear power plants.

And even after years of the war in Ukraine, Russia is still the second largest source of uranium for the EU, making up a quarter of imports


>What are those engineers doing currently, then?

Italian companies that work on reactor design, decommissioning and technology commissioned by foreign countries, for example.

>Russia is still the second largest source of uranium for the EU, making up a quarter of imports

The vast majority of contracts are multiannual, the EU will rely much less on Russian uranium export once they expire. Italy has no reason to sign them with Russia.




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