Ah yes. Trying to have a civil and productive conversation with people who insist we're at "absolute peak madness" of "crazy child-mutilation".
Those aren't sincere people; they're living in an alternate reality warped by propaganda.
Of course I realize this is a deliberately created wedge issue precisely so those folks can claim the burden is on the rest of us to engage properly. And when we're exhausted by debunking bullshit they can claim we're being elitist and dismissive. Brilliant strategy that's taken our country to an illustrious and proud moment...
I could just as well argue that your explanation of this is also a "brilliant strategy" to dismiss any potentially valid concerns the other side may have.
If we can't even get this dynamic right, and both sides have convoluted and elaborate ways to dismiss the other, then surely we can all agree that there will absolutely never be any reconciliation or meeting of the minds of the two groups? Leaving only forced indoctrination, silencing of opinions and plain separation of the two groups into physically different governments/countries.
Those aren't sincere people; they're living in an alternate reality warped by propaganda.
Of course I realize this is a deliberately created wedge issue precisely so those folks can claim the burden is on the rest of us to engage properly. And when we're exhausted by debunking bullshit they can claim we're being elitist and dismissive. Brilliant strategy that's taken our country to an illustrious and proud moment...