People being wrong (especially on the internet) doesn't mean they are lying. Lying is being wrong intentionally.

Also, the person you replied to comments on the wording tricks they use. After suddenly bringing new data and direction in the discussion, even calling them "wrong" would have been a stretch.

I kindly suggest that you (and we all!) to keep discussing with an assumption of good faith.

"Early testing doesn't show that it hallucinates less, but we expect that putting ["we expect it will hallucinate less"] nearby will lead you to draw a connection there yourself"."

The link, the link we are discussing shows testing, with numbers.

They say "early testing doesn't show that it hallucinates less", to provide a basis for a claim of bad faith.

You are claiming that mentioning this is out of bounds if it contains the word lying. I looked up the definition. It says "used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression."

What am I missing here?

Let's pretend lying means You Are An Evil Person And This Is Personal!!!

How do I describe the fact what they claim is false?

Am I supposed to be sarcastic and pretend They are in on it and edited their post to discredit him after the fact?

Oh boy. Do I need to tell you how to communicate?

That comment is making fun of their wording. Maybe extracting too much meaning from their wordplay? Maybe.

Afterwards, evidence is presented that they did not have to do this, which makes that point not so important, and even wrong.

The commenter was not lying, and they were correct about how masterfully deceiving that sequence of sentences are. They arrived at a wrong conclusion though.

Kindly point that out. Say, "hey, the numbers tell a different story, perhaps they didn't mean/need to make a wordplay there".

> Do I need to tell you how to communicate?

No? By the way, what is this comment, exactly? What is it trying to communicate? What I'm understanding is, it is good to talk down to people about how "they can't communicate", but calling a lie a lie is bad, because maybe they were just kidding (lying for fun)

> That comment is making fun of their wording. Maybe extracting too much meaning from their wordplay? Maybe.

What does "maybe" mean here, in terms of symbolical logic?

Their claim "we tested it and it didn't get better" -- and the link shows, they tested it, it did get better! It's pretty cleancut.

> How do I describe the fact what they claim is false?

> Do I need to tell you how to communicate?

That adresses it.

> What does "maybe" mean here, in terms of symbolical logic?

I'm answering my own question to make it clear I'm guessing.

For the rest, I'm sure that we need a break. It's normal get frustrated when many people correct us, or even one passionate individual like you, and we tend to keep going defending (happened here many times too!), because defending is the only thing left. Taking a break always helps. Just a friendly advice, take it or leave it :)