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I definitely prefer spending the money on fusion over rushing a Mars mission. Fusion is probably cheaper than Mars and will actually benefit humanity. Which is not something I can say about going to Mars (or even the moon).


A Mars mission would benefit humanity, but less directly. The past lunar missions and space program benefited humanity in many ways.

For pure return on investment, I agree with your take.

Provided of course that any future threats to humanity as a single planet civilization don’t materialize. There’s a low and uncertain tail risk ignored in our calculation.


Are you saying that the benefit to humanity of a Mars mission is that if the Earth explodes, we have an uninhabitable planet (under any realistic expectations) to stay on?


No, he clearly said that a "second home for humanity" is of dubious (but potentially nonzero) value.

Rather, the main benefit would lie in the technological advances made in order to enable such a Mars mission in the first place (similar to advances during Apollo).


>Rather, the main benefit would lie in the technological advances made in order to enable such a Mars mission in the first place

I agree with this view, but the comment I was replying to only mentioned as a benefit that Mars could be a second home (which I find rather ridiculous).


> the comment I was replying to only mentioned as a benefit that Mars could be a second home

The first and second sentences of that comment literally say

> A Mars mission would benefit humanity, but less directly. The past lunar missions and space program benefited humanity in many ways.

And then it goes on to acknowledge the "second home" element, but only as a small consideration.


"that comment literally say" even thought it doesn't say that one of the benefit would be "technological advances" so in reality "that comment literally doesn't say it" and that's why I was asking.


No, for a succesful Mars mission certain scientific progress has to be made. Unlike in economy, in science such things trickle down to us mortals.


Economic advances don't trickle down to "us mortals"?

Dude, the relentless decrease in cost of manufactured items, this decrease that makes your current way of life possible, is driven by exactly that. Manufacturers are in life-or-death competition and we consumers reap the benefit as prices are driven ever downward.


No, I was making a joke about trickledown economics.


No, that’s not what I’m saying. That seems of questionable value. Unless some crazy tail event happens that makes it valuable.

The benefit to humanity is the technological advancement.


The planet Mars is a gift from God for humanity


Thats what they said about lead!

A 'gift of God'?: The public health controversy over leaded gasoline during the 1920s: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1646253/

https://hal.science/hal-03924698/document


> The planet Mars is a gift from God for humanity

I bet I can guess the name of the god too!


God really lowered his standards after he created Earth.


“Well, created one nice one, and one desolate, irradiated, lifeless shit-hole! My work here is done!” Haha




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