> ... their success is an outcome of a brutal competition in the past ...
We're in this really interesting era where it is hard to say whether the US or China has the bigger economy. There have to be enormous error bars around estimating how big an economy is since we're comparing incomparable.
Given that, hopefully there'll be some high profile discussion about what China is doing to achieve this level of success. The part I'm looking forward to will be the analysis of why very low interest rates failed to spur similar competition in the west. Where is the competition? We should have the advantage in this field, groups like YCombinator have a pretty strong track record showing that, if given the chance, private interests are great at building and navigating highly competitive environments.
Hindsight will give us a lot of information - if the automakers turn out to be uncompetitive then it will have been obvious to everyone in the field through the 2010s. Why weren't there competitors emerging in the west? I have a theory that easy credit encourages market centralisation but it isn't obvious where to go to find trustworthy commentary on the idea.
> Given that, hopefully there'll be some high profile discussion about what China is doing to achieve this level of success.
This doesn’t take more than about 30 seconds of review. The CCP is making long term bets and demanding the private sector do as they’re told. It’s been obvious for a decade that renewable energy is the future. It’s been obvious that electrification of cars is happening whether legacy manufacturers like it or not.
The west can’t see past their next quarterly earnings result, and doesn’t have the stomach to make the long term investments the CCP has demanded of their own manufacturers.
Even Ford, who by all accounts is fully invested in electrification and is all in, has started to pull back because investors aren’t ok with an investment that might take a decade to pay off.
>The west can’t see past their next quarterly earnings result,
Assuming "the west" includes the US, the biggest companies in the US have very long investment timelines, much farther than the next quarter. Tesla, whose business includes making cars, lost money for 10+ years as a publicly listed company.
It's notable that this only happened because Elon held a controlling (or near-controlling) share and pushed for long-term vision against the wishes of institutional investors, bulling them as necessary. The "long investment timeline" did NOT come from wall street.
“Wall street” is the one rewarding Tesla with a market cap almost an order of magnitude more than Toyota, even though Tesla’s net income is not much higher than Toyota’s, and Toyota moves many more cars.
“Wall street” (or “the west”) is getting far more on Tesla’s long term ability to grow net income than on Toyota’s.
This is not the time to try for simple stabs in the dark, we really should make a serious effort to understand one. The west has been trying to get renewable energy working for more than 15 years, that was the strategy that has people talking about German deindustrialisation and having to read up on what the AfD's policies are. They dumped a lot of political capital into the Energiewende.
> ... because investors aren’t ok with an investment that might take a decade to pay off.
Sure. Why not? I'm happy making investments that take decades to pay off, I want to have access to machines when I'm old. What happened to all the investors who intend to live comfortably in their old age?
> What happened to all the investors who intend to live comfortably in their old age?
They got bought out by investors with shorter-term ambitions, because our economy is set up to reward short-termism, so those people end up with more capital (= market power), and this compounds over time.
Probably the problem with West are high wages and unions (especially in Europe). West could still win if it had advanced manufacturing and robotic equipment which nobody else has but this doesn't seem to be the case.
> China is not even that cheap in terms of labor anymore.
they're still cheaper than US labour. And their supply chain has proxity benefits that the US no longer has.
And the workforce is reasonably skilled now after a few decades of these skilled labour jobs (watch some YT video of how electronics are assembled there, if you want to see skill).
In cheaper production countries, you'd see similar, but china still has the edge. That's why the higher cost (compared to yester-decade) is not a factor yet, and only some of the manufacturing is being pushed out to places like vietnam, but not all.
The advantage china has is a similar type of advantage that silicon valley has for tech.
"Apart from this, with capitalist production an altogether new force comes into play — the credit system, which in its first stages furtively creeps in as the humble assistant of accumulation, drawing into the hands of individual or associated capitalists, by invisible threads, the money resources which lie scattered, over the surface of society, in larger or smaller amounts; but it soon becomes a new and terrible weapon in the battle of competition and is finally transformed into an enormous social mechanism for the centralisation of capitals."
We're in this really interesting era where it is hard to say whether the US or China has the bigger economy. There have to be enormous error bars around estimating how big an economy is since we're comparing incomparable.
Given that, hopefully there'll be some high profile discussion about what China is doing to achieve this level of success. The part I'm looking forward to will be the analysis of why very low interest rates failed to spur similar competition in the west. Where is the competition? We should have the advantage in this field, groups like YCombinator have a pretty strong track record showing that, if given the chance, private interests are great at building and navigating highly competitive environments.
Hindsight will give us a lot of information - if the automakers turn out to be uncompetitive then it will have been obvious to everyone in the field through the 2010s. Why weren't there competitors emerging in the west? I have a theory that easy credit encourages market centralisation but it isn't obvious where to go to find trustworthy commentary on the idea.