I've been trying to show you that states having an official church of state, or religion doesn't exclude the concept of 'secularism', if that is mainly to be understood as the possibility to live ones life free of that, without too much trouble.

The thing is in most islamic states that's not a given. Especially abandoning Islam itself.

That's an absolute NO-GO in most of them, because the 'noble' Quran forbids it, by penalty of death. Even if some of these states don't employ this literally, they do nothing to reign in their fanatics, harassing the heretics, because shrug, it's their own fault.

Do you know people who did this, abandoning Islam, and how they have to live, even far abroad, because of that?

You may point to Dubai, but I think it's a big sham, mostly attracting 'soldiers of fortune', to make it look good.

What is vile here is the 'nobleness' of the Quran, and how it is used to justify the 'viralness' of it. It's a thing favouring the development of behavior equal to rabies.

I don't like rabies.

Why do you?

And I'm calling you out for your overt bigotry, and pointing out that what you want to talk about has nothing to do with the topic.

I am well aware of the issues in theocratic rule, in multiple Abrahamic branches, and in non-Abrahamic religions.

That doesn't at all explain what "leave Christianity behind" is supposed to mean. When did Europe start that process?

> When did Europe start that process?

Why is that so important to you? For me it's irrelevant, because I could have left that behind as soon as I got aware of that sillyness.

Which I actually didn't until a few years later, because of 'opportunity costs'.

Took me 2 hours ping-ponging between desks in different offices, because loss of taxes, which federal government, state, county, city, and church did not want.

But that was all. No further harassment.

As far as I know, this has been the case in most of Europe for several hundreds of years, in one way or another. I have some doubts regarding Portugal, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Poland in these matters and timing, but not much more.

In most if not all islamic countries someone would have put a Fatwa on me, like I was rabid, for that percieved heresy.

Just being able to say: "No, I don't want this! Leave me alone!" is how it should be, overriding any other concern.

If you don't get this and expect me to refute every single point of your pedantry into all eternity, you're riding a dead horse as in the german word "Paragraphenreiter".

( https://dict.leo.org/german-english/Paragraphenreiter )

I won't do that.

I don't care.

I won't even agree to disagree, as politeness would dictate.

There is no politeness in this for me, just zero tolerance.