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In 2024 to assume a company is not exercising virtually all the rights you’ve given them when you agreed to their terms and services - especially when they stand to make a ton of money doing so - is wild to me.

These companies do not get the benefit of the doubt. I do not need proof to assume they are selling us to the highest bidder when they explicitly outline it in their terms and services and have done it time and time again. Experience has shown us that more often than not they will.

I also didn’t say Nissan stole or broke into anything. My example is appropriate.



Has Nissan sold this data time and again?

Or are you again presenting an assumption as fact.

I think assuming a company is selling your data is a completely fair one. But it’s also completely fair to ask that people don’t use language that implies factual knowledge to represent those assumptions.

If only to make your argument better you might evaluate your comments and see how your language is weakening it.


At some point you’re just coming off as either way too trusting or playing the steel man. We clearly don’t see eye to eye here. My skepticism of the car manufacturers - especially the ones listed in this very damning report which includes Nissan - is warranted whether you agree or not. Feel free to sign on the dotted line. I won’t be convinced to agree to that nonsense.


Agreed. The false analogy just reduces the likelihood that a real dialogue starts because it’s faux boogie men.


It’s not a faux boogie man. We are literally having a discussion spurred by an extensive report on this exact issue.




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