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> If you think people want 30 year old washing machines, you're kidding yourself.

You say this in the same breath you talk about people being desperate for any cheapest appliance instead of having nothing?

> And literally zero people are buying a house based on the bearings in the washing machine.

Well that's them being dumb.




> You say this in the same breath you talk about people being desperate for any cheapest appliance instead of having nothing?

Yes? I think you’re suggesting that the existence of old machines would be good for the poor. That’s true. However, manufacturers don’t make used machines. They only make new ones. So the forces of supply and demand do not apply.

> Well that's them being dumb.

Wat. No I’d say choosing a home based on location, school district, or inherent qualities of the home itself is a less dumb idea.


> Yes? I think you’re suggesting that the existence of old machines would be good for the poor. That’s true. However, manufacturers don’t make used machines. They only make new ones. So the forces of supply and demand do not apply.

As far as I can tell you were discounting the value of old machines, and suggesting long durability wasn't useful. I'm glad you agree they're useful.

And I know manufacturers make new machines. I'm suggesting that if the cheapest machines were much more durable at not-much higher prices, the end result would be better for everyone including the poor people that would otherwise have bought the even cheaper model.

(If we switched cold turkey it would be worse for them for a couple years before it got better. So let's not switch cold turkey. But that's not a reason to act like the current situation is anywhere near optimal. It's great that appliances have gotten massively cheaper than they used to be, but we could do even better.)

> Wat. No I’d say choosing a home based on location, school district, or inherent qualities of the home itself is a less dumb idea.

Wat. Do you think that's an either-or choice?

It's reasonable to say people choose a home based on price, right? If there's a washer and dryer as part of the package, the expected lifetime is basically an offset to the price.


> Wat. Do you think that's an either-or choice?

Often worse -- in many markets a buyer will pick whichever available option has a plurality of their preferences. Most buyers are going to prioritize the location, size, and permanent qualities of the home, and that's going to narrow them down to a short-list of options. Major renovations tend to affect the price of a house somewhat, but the quality of individual appliances typically does not, because they are easily changed and account for maybe 1% of the value of a home. Even a home without appliances entirely will tend to sell just as fast and for prices similar to other homes.




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