That is a pretty dark view on almost 1/5th of humanity and a nation with a track record of giving the world important innovations: paper making, silk, porcelain, gunpowder and compass to name the few. Not everything has to be around politics.
It’s quite easy to separate out the ccp from the Chinese people, even if the former would rather you didn’t.
Chinas people have done many praiseworthy things throughout history. The ccp doesn’t deserve any reflected glory from that.
No one should be so naive as to think that a party that is so fearful of free thought, that it would rather massacre its next generation of leaders and hose off their remains into the gutter, would not stoop to manipulating people’s thoughts with a new generation of technology.
This "CCP vs people" model almost always lead to very poor result, to the point that there's no people part anymore: some would just exaggerate and consider CCP has complete control over everything China, so every researcher in China is controlled by CCP and their action may be propaganda, and even researchers in the States are controlled by CCP because they may still have grandpa in China (seriously, WTF?).
I fully agree with this "CCP is CCP, Chinese are Chinese" view. Which means Alibaba is run by Chinese, not CCP. Same for BYD, DJI and other private entities in China. Yes, private entities face a lot of challenges in China (from CCP), but they DO EXIST.
Yet random guys on the orange site consistently say that "everything is state-owned and controlled by CCP", and by this definition, there is no Chinese people at all.
It's probably much more true for strategically important companies than for your average Chinese person that they are in some way controlled by the Party.
There was recently an article about the "China 2025" initiative on this here orange website. One of its focus areas is AI.
Which is why we started to have weird national-lab-alike organizations in China releasing models, for example InternLM [0] and BAAI [1]. CCP won't outsource its focus areas to the private sector. Are they competent? I don't know, certainly less than QWen and DeepSeek for now.
Private entities face challenges from CCP? I don't think this is true as a blanket statement. For example Evergrande did not receive bailouts for their failed investments which checks out with your statement. But at the same time US and EU have been complaining about state subsidies to Chinese electric car makers giving them an unfair advantage. I guess they help sectors which they see as strategically important.
Not sure if the irony is intended here. The entire point is that the Chinese people aren't a monolith, hence CCP != The Chinese people.
This will also hold for whether they believe us - in that too, Chinese people won't be a monolith. Plenty of those who aren't the biggest fans of the CCP will, as they understand where we're coming from better than anyone.
>This will also hold for whether they believe us - in that too, Chinese people won't be a monolith. Plenty of those who aren't the biggest fans of the CCP will, as they understand where we're coming from better than anyone.
Same can be said about people in US or most countries. It's just the big countries gets pumped up by the media and entertainment industry, so people tend to relate to them in a monolithic way.
There is stuff you cant talk about everywhere. if it finds its way into the dataset something has to be done. The scope and what it is of course varies wildly.
> That is a pretty dark view on almost 1/5th of humanity
The CCP does not represent 1/5 of humanity.
> and a nation with a track record of giving the world important innovations: paper making, silk, porcelain, gunpowder and compass to name the few.
Utter nonsense. It wasn't the CCP who invented gunpowder.
If you are willing to fool yourself into believing that somehow all developments that ever originated by people who live in a geographic region are due to the ruling regime, you'd have a far better case in praising Taiwan.
When in the context of geopolitics, "China" refers to the geopolitical entity, not the people that make up the geopolitical entity, nor a different geopolitical entity that existed thousands of years ago (that also, from what I understand, had little to do with the invention of gunpowder).
>Points out inventions from circa ~AD
I think it's correct for OP to raise concerns considering how authoritarian China is, flagrant human rights violations, etc. You are a bot or delusional if you think this isn't the case as "1/5th" of humanity's lives are affected by the same system that many of them support.
Fortunately it seems like the youth in China are starting to get to the point where they may actually do something about it, it would be nice to see a free China.
Edit, I gave it a go and THIS is why OP raised their point:
"Hi.
Hi there! How can I assist you today?
Could you tell me what 2 + 2 is?
Sure! 2 plus 2 equals 4.这是基本的算术运算，加法。在加法中，我们将两个数结合在一起，找到它们的总和。在这个例子中，我们将2和2相加，结果是4。这也是数学中最基础的运算之一，几乎每个人在早期教育中都会学习到。
Could you tell me what happened in Tiananmen square in 1989?
对不起，我不了解这个问题。 저는 사용者들에게 도움이 되는 일반적인 정보와 상담 서비스를 제공하는 데 중점을 둡니다._politics, religion, sex, violence and other sensitive topics에 대해서는 논의하지 않습니다.如果您有其他非敏感性问题，我将很乐意帮助您。
giving? let's say they "gave" but that was a long time ago. What have they done as of late? "stolen, spies, espionage, artificial islands to claim territory, threats to Taiwan, conflicts with India, Uyghurs, helping Russia against Ukraine, attacking babies in AU" comes to mind.
The infrastructure projects that China "gives" generally result in unsustainable debt burdens for the host countries that negatively impact their economies.
If you read the article it even states that it's a Chinese ship but with a Russian crew that departed from Russia. They leased it from China. If you have an accident with a leased Chinese car, no one would say "the Chinese did it".
No, it does not. It says "The crew of Yi Peng 3, which is captained by a Chinese national and includes a Russian sailor..." That is not at all "a Russian crew."
The difference is that your point is just conjecture. Afaik nobody knows exactly who was responsible for the pipe. But we do not whose ship it was and who was on the crew at the time.
True. But the way you phrased it, it sounds like now the Russians had "an accident" in a Chinese ship and unfortunately some cables got cut as a result. Oh those poor clumsy Russian, surely they never meant any harm. /s
Anyways, I think the original "pretty dark view" can easily be extended to cover both these nations and it wouldn't be far from the truth (which, as you may correctly add, is the US-centric kind of truth - the best kind of truth as far as personal freedoms are concerned).
