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Acknowledging the deliberate rampant misinformation campaigns doesn't make you an elitist.


But claiming that people vote against their interests and the assumption that you know better than them what their interests are makes you one.


People do vote against their interests. Full stop. We have agreed there is misinformation. Who is doing it and why? Is it people not in power who have no resources manipulating people in power? Or is it people in power who have the resources manipulating people not in power? The answer is obviously the latter. And if it's people in power doing it, they are doing it for their own good. They are not doing it benevolently.


> People do vote against their interests. Full stop.

If you're not talking about the normal compromises every voter needs to make between competing priorities, then I think you should own your position and advocate that you yourself be given the power to exercise those voters votes on their behalf, since you claim to know what their interests are better than they do.


So do you really think there are no people who have ever voted against their own interests because they were misled, or even lied to?

That doesn’t mean that they should be disenfranchised, but perhaps it’s worth looking into how those people can be better informed, and thus enabled to vote for options that actually align with the outcomes they desire?


> So do you really think there are no people who have ever voted against their own interests because they were misled, or even lied to?

No, but I also don't trust anyone complaining about people "voting against their own interests" to make that determination. That phrase is almost always shorthand for "they didn't vote the way I wanted them to," but often rationalized to not seem so self-serving (e.g. a partisan's biased belief the other side is uniquely full of liars, or that no reasonable person could disagree with them).

Personally, I think you should spend more time worrying if you "were misled, or even lied to."




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