In general, vertical movement in the tech sector is near zero these days. Thus do a search on the government published wage ranges for the mean/maximum listed for your region (this is what HR does anyway.)
The mistake people make is forgetting to sum up the liabilities of working at some firms:
1. Commute time/costs from home at rush hour (3 hours a day is equivalent to a 30% to 40% pay cut)
2. Cost of both temporary and permanent housing (urban metropolis are economically hostile if you are paying over 27% of your income on your home)
3. Cost of insurance and healthcare (property crime, environmental disasters, and pollution)
4. Location specific risks like Crime/Violence, or Hazmat (money is meaningless if you are not enjoying life)
5. Never bluff in game theory... just explain the options... than follow through and just leave for the competition.
Tip: If you compete with desperate demographics to be at the bottom, than your quality of life may be far lower than expected.
Sometimes taking a $10k income cut makes more sense, than being a poser in a high tax bracket city. i.e. the amount of cash in your hands after taxes can actually be higher.
It is complicated for sure, but employee retention is usually a function of location, skill uniqueness, and wage rates. Best of luck =3
Huh? Thousands of people are promoted every year in the big tech companies into seven figure positions. And many many tens of thousand into mid six figure positions.
The vast majority of tech workers leave firms in under 3 years, move laterally, or are mission critical with meaningless title changes.
If you find 6 different division managers that entered the same facility as coders, than I may agree. You won't, but I respect your youthful idealism. =)
I only asked for a mere 6 examples of developer career-lotto winners to infer your ideas were plausible...
You have provided 0, and instead of acknowledging real issues... you present a straw-man argument as a poor substitute. In time, you will learn how the corporate world is structured. lol =)
You don’t have any rank or authority over other HN users… so they are free to ignore any ‘asks’ presented… and write about what they think is relevant.
This is not about me, not about forums, and again off topic...
It is about your conduct making unsubstantiated claims orthogonal to observable facts. Then (still) trying to change the subject when asked for proof.
It is how we both learn if observations are erroneous, and someone is blinded by their idealism. How about 3 examples, that would be twice as easy right... lol...
In time... you may understand kid. Best of luck =3
It only matters to people that discover fictional vertical movement in a traditionally uninformed exploited role. The evidence often seems anecdotal, but a pretense of a meritocracy often drives the naive to act irrationally.
One may find a dismissive attitude is ineffective with data-driven decision makers. Inferring folks experiencing this phenomena are "nonsense" is just disrespectful. =P
Not really, it just seems that way to someone heavily biased by idealism.
I think you are feigning ignorance, and avoiding a simple question about backing up hilarious claims with a very low standard of minimal proof.
You can believe whatever makes one happy. However, if you want upper level positions it usually means leaving for other firms, and or founding your own entity as a board member.
Indeed, one has still failed to backup your assertion, and continue to engage in insolent off-topic trolling. The nonsensical detractors are a waste of bandwidth.
Best of luck, this conversation should have ended with the first Straw-man argument. bye... =3
The mistake people make is forgetting to sum up the liabilities of working at some firms:
1. Commute time/costs from home at rush hour (3 hours a day is equivalent to a 30% to 40% pay cut)
2. Cost of both temporary and permanent housing (urban metropolis are economically hostile if you are paying over 27% of your income on your home)
3. Cost of insurance and healthcare (property crime, environmental disasters, and pollution)
4. Location specific risks like Crime/Violence, or Hazmat (money is meaningless if you are not enjoying life)
5. Never bluff in game theory... just explain the options... than follow through and just leave for the competition.
Tip: If you compete with desperate demographics to be at the bottom, than your quality of life may be far lower than expected.
Sometimes taking a $10k income cut makes more sense, than being a poser in a high tax bracket city. i.e. the amount of cash in your hands after taxes can actually be higher.
It is complicated for sure, but employee retention is usually a function of location, skill uniqueness, and wage rates. Best of luck =3