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Did that really happen though? or did the right just amplify those messages because they're very effective to campaign on? and now everyone just repeats them. Maybe even making a lot of young men feel even more despondent and useless in the process.

Kinda funny how the moment real progress is made on trying to give anyone other than males a hand up, they start crying like babies about how they're not getting enough attention. Meanwhile, those same men are literally stripping away women's rights to their own body.



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This doesn’t happen in real life, outside. This happens on Twitter. I know it’s difficult to understand the difference for some people.


It happens in real life too, in the workplace. People parrot what they hear online, but I guess you’re only on Twitter and haven’t seen it then


I'm an informed, white, male Democrat and I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.



It’s not always in the news but I’ll share an article by a democrat that summarizes a lot of the positions: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ideas-that-are-resh...

those opinions (your privileged) become “shut up” and “you should be ashamed” in public discourse (I’ve seen it)

Your welcome to search for the reverse racism and DEI lawsuits if you think this does not impact people in practice


That's a random journalist, what the hell does he have to do with the democratic party and "the left"?


Because to them people on Twitter and the DNC are the same thing.


Another ad hominem attack vs addressing substance


What substance? Random people's opinions online are not representative of whole political parties or movements or groups of people....

Hell, pro-Trump people were crying foul when the words of an opening act for Trump were associated with Trump and friends (that Puerto Rico is an island of garbage), this is infinitely more unrelated.


The article summarizes the positions of the Left, by a Left-leaning news org. The article is not about the positions of the the journalist. What more do you want? Harris's isn’t going to write this herself


You're taking an opinion piece summarising viewpoints people on the left are supposedly favourable to as the official position of a political party in the opposite way (e.g. you seem to think that agreeing that there is institutional sexism against women means that you want to be sexist against men or that men in general should be shamed for being men, which is, of course, bullshit).

If you have this absurd stance, what do you think about the literal words of high profile republican politicians? JD Vance comparing Trump to Hitler? Trump misquoting Mein Kampf? Trump saying he'll deport 20 million people? Trump expressing violent misogyny (grab them right by the pussy)? Trump saying he'll save women if they want it or not? Blatant racism against black and latino people?

Those are direct positions of the actual candidates. Wildly more representative than an opinion summary by a journalist.


That's actually a really interesting article, thanks.

No idea if it was written by a democrat tough, I mean it might be, but that's not important.

> those opinions (your privileged) become “shut up” and “you should be ashamed” in public discourse (I’ve seen it)

Yes, aren't those the extremists online? So what? I have never ever heard Harris or Biden talk like that.


I have never had anyone tell me as a white male that I should be ashamed of myself, not least from the left.

What I have been recently is very impressed by female talent in all sorts of industries, which makes me ponder how much we've lost holding them back all this time.



Likely because you’ve sheltered yourself from it. I have been told on HN even that I’m privileged (implying I should be ashamed or aware of such privilege). Also all that recently about how racism is alive and well and it’s our fault.


If you are a white male (I am) then you almost certainly ARE privileged at some level and imo should be aware of that.

This is a completely separate matter from being ashamed of said privilege (I don't think this is reasonable or productive), or being held responsible for racism in general (obviously ridiculous unless you are right now a bona fide racist). But that level of nuance doesn't fit neatly in a 30 second inflammatory commercial.


yea see you doubled down.

i’m a military veteran from a poor family with no college degree and have made my own way my entire life.

we are done with identity politics. keep it up and be left behind.


Who's done with it? The right? because no one loves identity politics more than them. Every single word that comes out of trumps mouth is about someones identity.


Every single one of us, but the left is by and far the worst offender.

Accept it or be left behind. Many of us believe this is the beginning of the end of the Democrat party because of the extremism.

Also I’m an independent that just wants Dems gone. Once their gone the right will be my target.


"done with identity politics"

"military veteran from a poor family with no college degree"

okaaaay.


yea? anything with substance to say?

do you not believe Im a veteran? or maybe the degree? or maybe that I came from a poor family? which is it and why would someone lie about that? or maybe your world view was shattered?

also do you know what Stolen Valor is?


I think grandparent was trying to point out that you just engaged in identify politics


The other reply to this post has it right. Your argument against identity politics appears to be to engage in identity politics, and that was the reason for my snarky comment. But I'll bite and make a serious reply, I'd like to think HN is better than a place to shitpost (and that's on me).

I have no reason to doubt any of what you said, and in all seriousness, I am happy that you have come from a poor background and made a good life for yourself without the so-called required college degree. My point is that if all those things were true about you and you were also black for example, you'd probably have been at a relative disadvantage to your white self in this country.

That in no way takes away from your success in life, or implies you didn't work hard to get there. I grew up in a family without much money, but one that valued education and hard work. I have worked, and worked hard my entire life, and things have by and large worked out very well for me. In my younger days I did plenty of stupid things that might very well have gotten me shot were my skin tone darker. I have black family members who have been handcuffed and thrown down on the driveway of their house that they own because it was late at night they "looked suspicious". Would I have gotten to where I am today if I were black? Maybe yes, maybe no, but the macro-level odds are I'd be worse off if I weren't white.

My view is that if we want to change things for the better - whether in politics or business or personal life - it's better to be honest about the nature and degree of the problems than to try and pretend they don't exist. My great-grandparents owned businesses and my black friend's great-grandparents were owned by other people. My parents could do whatever they wanted and my black friend's parents had to go to separate schools and use separate drinking fountains. None of this is your fault nor mine, and I'm not going to feel bad about myself because of what my ancestors did. But I am willing to consider that actual history should inform our approach to improving things going forward. Maybe consider it a blameless postmortem for society https://sre.google/sre-book/postmortem-culture/

If you want to reduce that to "identity politics" and write it off in a with-us-or-against-us calculation, that's certainly your right. It is still a free country after all. For the record, I've been an unaffiliated voter my entire life, and I believe the surest sign that the democratic party is terrible at what they do is that Donald Trump has been considered a serious presidential candidate three times now. The two party system has done an amazing job of splitting people who may otherwise agree on 95% of issues over relatively trivial issues. But truly, you really are with us or against us, and there is no other way unless we can get rid of the two party system. So for me I am against the sycophancy and nepotism and kleptocracy and hypocrisy of Donald Trump and the republican party, and if that means I have to deal with some ill-advised identity politics from the democrats, then the reality at a national level is that I have to hold my nose and deal. What I'm not going to do is vote against the interests of myself and my family (and, I believe, my country) because someone is trying to make me feel bad about my ancestors.




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