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Dems won't change their strategy and probably won't have to, because after Trump is past his term limit the Republican party will be back to offering up wet noodles like Jeb and Romney, who won't be able to persuade the working class to vote. Against weaker less charismatic opponents, the poor strategy of the DNC will matter far less.

And everything will continue to suck for the working class. Trump won't actually succeed in fixing much of anything for them, even if he tries, and nobody else is even going to pretend to care. The DNC will continue to be the party for yuppies that sneers at uneducated working men while the RNC takes off the mask stops pretending to care about anything besides the managerial class and Christian/Zionism issues.



Yes, wet noodles like JD Vance who completely wrecked Tim Walz in the debate.


That seems like a partisan take rather than an objective one.


I wouldn't say the BBC is partisan...They called it for Vance: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y0863ry88o

Overall though do agree it was a fairly close debate not particularly one-sided.

Will say if guys like Vance & DeSantis are the future of the GOP that a significant upgrade over Trump.

I still don't quite understand why DeSantis fared so poorly w/ the GOP for this election. He appears to be far more competent/palatable than Trump but here are.


DeSantis has made a few mistakes that have shaken previous supporters and infuriated others. I've mostly scratched my head at most if it, but one that I couldn't ignore was the adorable plot to turn our State Parks into sports facilities. I simply cannot trust or support anyone who views our priceless preserves as untapped resources in need of strip malls and golf courses. Florida is already at or past a sustainable threshold with the diseased variety of "progress" that prevails here.

For me, once we altogether lose the quintessence of this state (this isn't Disneyland or Lennar), it'll be little more than a Skinner Box with perennial cyclones, bad traffic and pestilence, surrounded by cement embellished views of red tide.


Nobody voted for Vance (or for vice presidents generally.) I've seen nothing to suggest he has the kind of popularity or RNC establishment support that would make him a viable presidential candidate. The only way he gets there is if Trump dies, which is possible but not relevant to the DNC's strategy for the next election.


Vance was pretty good at talking on Rogan.


What makes you sure the GOP will revert to the pre-2016 era? I believe that unless MAGA-style politics somehow gets repudiated before the general election in 2028, the future of the GOP is MAGA. The next presidential nominee will be in the mold of Trump, maybe less bombastic, but will follow similar policies on social and economic issues.

I think a fatal strategy for never-Trumpers is to assume that Trump and MAGA will go away. Every gaffe and every scandal seems to strengthen Trump. It hasn’t gone away, and we will have to live with the consequences. Perhaps a better strategy is to accept that the GOP these days is the MAGA party, and we need new strategies for competing in future elections.


Trump politics without a Trump personality doesn't work. The closest they'll get to emulating Trump is getting somebody like Jeb to awkwardly cuss a few times.


> closest they'll get to emulating Trump

Donald Trump Jr.?


> What makes you sure the GOP will revert to the pre-2016 era?

MAGA just lacks the charm without the Orange Man at the helm. Trump is mortal and his successors are lacking.

That said, the Chamber of Commerce Republicans will probably stay Democrat. It'd be at least 2033 before it's clear that MAGA only lasted with Trump leading.


> after Trump is past his term limit the Republican party will be back to offering up wet noodles like Jeb and Romney

Why not Donald Trump Jr. in 2028?


Sure, or even Eric. That's four wet noodles .. they're bound to have more.




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