Sure. Did they (or anyone) say they were going to strip Musk of citizenship? (al_borland's original claim was specifically about Musk's citizenship, not citizenship in general.)
No, nobody real is talking about taking Musk’s citizenship. Hell, he hasn’t even lost his security clearance. Those are granted on the basis of executive order. It’s at the pleasure of the President. Nobody is going after Musk.
A nonzero number of illegal immigrants do vote. I don’t know if there is data on how often (my guess is it is rare). But when it is caught, the vote remains counted.
As for descendants, they vote mostly for democrats. I don’t have a source on hand but I’m sure it is easy to find. You can also look at data by ethnicity instead of immigration status to get an idea. Also this skews other parts of the political process, outside of the presidency.
This hypothesis has been tested. Lots of people have spent a lot of time and money on it. We have zero examples. The only voter fraud we have found is right wing idiots who don’t understand the electoral college.
Believing in voter fraud is not quite flat Earth stupid. But it’s close.
> As for descendants, they vote mostly for democrats
Racial depolarisation is the term you’re looking for. Young single men vote Trump. Also, whose donors do you think hire illegal workers? Who pushes back on strict liability for employers?
> Believing in voter fraud is not quite flat Earth stupid. But it’s close.
Blind faith is more like “flat Earth” to me. Does it make sense to have such confidence about every election on the planet? Or is America on a pedestal? Those other countries probably make the same claims about their alleged election integrity.
> Also, whose donors do you think hire illegal workers? Who pushes back on strict liability for employers?
I would ask to share your sources but why is this even relevant? Voter ID now. Closed borders now. Deportation for illegal immigrants now. No one buys the weird excuses conjured up by untrustworthy politicians and activists on this issue, not even them. It is clear who this status quo favors.
N != 0, it’s less than 1/10^8 over multiple cycles. Which means zero examples in modern America of a national election being stolen through fraud.
> Blind faith
To the degree there is blind faith in this discussion it’s from the election deniers. Polls are heavily scrutinised by not only multiple layers of government, but also various outside groups, including the campaigns, as well as international bodies. One has to assume widespread conspiracy across those groups—and then be too lazy to observe a poll oneself—to conclude fraud. Not only forward looking, but worse, backward looking given the millions of dollars spent on hand recounting ballots in e.g. Arizona.
> Voter ID now
I vote in a state with a voter ID requirement. Maybe those who think these laws do something didn’t go to college. I can’t think of any other reason for the widespread amnesia around the prevalence and accessibility of fake IDs. (And you could vote with a cheap one, too. Nobody checks if they scan.)
> Closed borders now. Deportation for illegal immigrants now
About as relevant to election security as abortion and speed limits.
